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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Sep 2012 :  18:09:56  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kno

hard to tell - Dumbledore was gay, Elminster perv, Gandalf celibate



And what does any of that have to do with anything?

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 12 Sep 2012 :  21:18:25  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Kno

hard to tell - Dumbledore was gay, Elminster perv, Gandalf celibate



And what does any of that have to do with anything?



Probably nothing other than showing that Kno is a bitter reader

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Cugel the Clever was a mage? It's been decades since I read the stories about him, but I don't remember that.
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Posted - 13 Sep 2012 :  02:14:03  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Kno

hard to tell - Dumbledore was gay, Elminster perv, Gandalf celibate



And what does any of that have to do with anything?



Probably nothing other than showing that Kno is a bitter reader

Okay, we really don't need to go down that path.

Let's try to remain courteous and civil, eh, and move on?

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Posted - 14 Sep 2012 :  17:20:21  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I really liked the character of Jonathan Strange. A perfect ,English gentleman of a wizard.
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quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I really liked the character of Jonathan Strange. A perfect ,English gentleman of a wizard.



I quite enjoyed that one, myself.

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Thauranil
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Posted - 15 Sep 2012 :  15:12:30  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I really liked the character of Jonathan Strange. A perfect ,English gentleman of a wizard.



I quite enjoyed that one, myself.


Yes its quite a pity that there were no more books written in that series or another other by Ms. Susanna Clarke.
I for one would love to read more of her alternative Britain with its rediscovered rich history of magic.
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
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Posted - 04 Sep 2013 :  08:00:26  Show Profile Send Drustan Dwnhaedan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elminster got my vote, if only for the fact that The Simbul wasn't an option. (Why isn't she on the list?)
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charger_ss24
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Posted - 04 Sep 2013 :  17:46:35  Show Profile Send charger_ss24 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Drustan Dwnhaedan

Elminster got my vote, if only for the fact that The Simbul wasn't an option. (Why isn't she on the list?)



I too, voted Elminster and his eversmoking pipe. Only because Robillard wasn't on the list. That guy is a bad ass.
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jornan
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Elminster received my vote...although I must admit that even after all these years of fantasy reading I still cannot get through LotR. I watched the movies though! Ha.

As for Dumbledore, you could combine him and all the other Potter Mythos wizards and pit them against Elminster and maybe you would have a fight on your hands....I would very much like to see that eradication.

I thought Harry Potter books were OK, don't get me wrong
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 :  23:31:01  Show Profile Send Entromancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Sep 2013 :  23:39:19  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Entromancer

I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace.



I have no idea who Jace is.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 :  01:35:19  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rincewind. Absolutely no contest, although technically he's a "wizzard".

Although Merlin was certainly the most accomplished, in my mind, given his legendary abilities to consistently work great magics on our own no-magic-or-low-magic world. The other guys all got it easy in that regard. Being a fiend-sired half-immortal is just a bonus.

And the Wizard of Oz certainly had a good gig going, too bad he was ultimately revealed as a bombastic incompetent.

I've always been inexplicably fascinated by the mythology of the Telchines. But most people've never heard of 'em.

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Drustan Dwnhaedan
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 :  05:25:48  Show Profile Send Drustan Dwnhaedan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Rincewind. Absolutely no contest, although technically he's a "wizzard".

Although Merlin was certainly the most accomplished, in my mind, given his legendary abilities to consistently work great magics on our own no-magic-or-low-magic world. The other guys all got it easy in that regard. Being a fiend-sired half-immortal is just a bonus.

And the Wizard of Oz certainly had a good gig going, too bad he was ultimately revealed as a bombastic incompetent.

I've always been inexplicably fascinated by the mythology of the Telchines. But most people've never heard of 'em.


Dang, I can't believe I completely forgot about Rincewind! He should definitely be on the list!
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Sep 2013 :  05:53:02  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Rincewind. Absolutely no contest, although technically he's a "wizzard".

Although Merlin was certainly the most accomplished, in my mind, given his legendary abilities to consistently work great magics on our own no-magic-or-low-magic world. The other guys all got it easy in that regard. Being a fiend-sired half-immortal is just a bonus.




It's possible that our world isn't low magic -- it could be that knowledge of how to access it has been lost or suppressed.

There's plenty of magic and things that go bump in the night in the Dresden Files books, for example -- but even some of the people that have seen Harry in action don't believe he's doing magic.

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Entromancer
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Posted - 07 Sep 2013 :  00:41:31  Show Profile Send Entromancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Entromancer

I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace.



I have no idea who Jace is.



Jace the Mind Sculptor, a planeswalking telepath from the Magic: the Gathering tcg and novel line. He's the bane of competitive players everywhere.

Aside from Jace, I'd say Randall Flagg was an excellent wizard.

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quote:
Originally posted by Entromancer

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Entromancer

I feel Dumbledore is the better character, but let's not stand on ceremony here. We know the best wizard is Jace. Always bet on Jace.

I have no idea who Jace is.
Jace the Mind Sculptor, a planeswalking telepath from the Magic: the Gathering tcg and novel line. He's the bane of competitive players everywhere.

Aside from Jace, I'd say Randall Flagg was an excellent wizard.
I love Jace, and in MtG, he’s indeed the best—though I’d say equal to Tezzeret in terms of skill, magic, and artifice. Cross-setting-wise, hmm, I wouldn’t say he’s the best. My vote still goes to Pug, the wizard who literally chopped the moon.

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Alruane
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 :  09:10:11  Show Profile Send Alruane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elminster Aumar. Definitely.

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The Arcanamach
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Posted - 17 Dec 2013 :  16:00:46  Show Profile Send The Arcanamach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
El, though Gandy was close. El is a grumpy old man without being spiteful, pretty much cares for everyone and can kick deific arse when needed.

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Alruane
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I do believe that was put in the best proper terms, Elminster has it all.

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Owesstaer
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Posted - 28 Mar 2016 :  16:09:54  Show Profile Send Owesstaer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another vote for El from myself.

In addition to being a pawn, he has retained a human personality... and he's got the Symbul! ;)
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Posted - 28 Mar 2016 :  21:41:59  Show Profile  Visit BARDOBARBAROS's Homepage Send BARDOBARBAROS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elminster

BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!


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maltor ramus
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Posted - 05 Apr 2016 :  05:40:55  Show Profile Send maltor ramus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elminster as my vote is not only powerful & cunning, but he's able to date a goddess and in my book that makes him the strongest of them all lol:)
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Posted - 09 Apr 2016 :  18:07:37  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

First - how did Dumbledore even make the list? He was not very powerful and in the end was dead.


He was one of the most powerful wizards in the Potterverse.

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Choosing not to extend ones life indefinitely does not determine the level of power an individual holds.
Dumbledore appeared to me to be a very wise and learned individual with an insatiable curiosity for all things magical (including history and creatures of which was different from his colleagues). Whether this translated into raw magical power is unknown because the books never detailed any of his magic without him having the elder wand which admittedly he won from grindelwald but their relationship may have predetermined the outcome.

Power seems an odd thing to measure a wizard against when gandalf appears to have been a middling wizard but achieved great world changing things by virtue of his knowledge and skill reading/predicting people and their reactions often many years into the future (perhaps aided by some kind of foresight ability, perhaps not).

Dumbledore was of the same type as gandalf. He predicted and manipulated the actions of everyone he came into contact with (not necessarily with evil intent, sometimes people were manipulated merely into achieving their potential). He also made sure to know all he could about magic, both good and bad, which helped him greatly in fighting voldemort.

Elminster I don't know about because I've never read the novels. He seems both less and more wise (acting rashly and yet able to outwit all his foes).

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Wooly Rupert
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Of the three of them, Dumbledore is the only pure mortal. Elminster is of course a Chosen, and Gandalf was one of the Maiar -- a kind of spirit, sent down by the kinda-sorta-deities of Middle-Earth.

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quote:
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Of the three of them, Dumbledore is the only pure mortal. Elminster is of course a Chosen, and Gandalf was one of the Maiar -- a kind of spirit, sent down by the kinda-sorta-deities of Middle-Earth.



I went with Gandalf. In Potterverse, I actually like Aberforth better what little we get and in the Realms, Khelban is my favorite.
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Definitely Elminster.

He has the feel of a very well learned grandfather. One that can be a terror to deal with it angry, but one that will always have your back in the end.

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I know this is complete heresy here, but Dumbledore.

Not because of power, etc.

He just comes across more as that age old wizard from the books and movies. Elminster has a more playful personality in some ways, that is fantastic (don't get me wrong), but doesn't hit me the same.

This in no way means I do not love Elminster to death! He is awesome!!!!!!!!

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Hmmm,
Gandalf is in a low magic world compared to FR or Potterverse.
Gandalf is a seemingly low ranking Angel.
Elminster is semi-devine (Chosen) in a high (VERY high) magic world.
Dumbledore seems to be very powerful,,, however the ease of his assassination/murder somehow belies that, IMO.
Dumbledore is in a world that has no religion, or at least very little. Therefore he does not seem to have any Divine capabilities.

So, Dumbledore is ruled out because of no divine powers.
Gandalf is in a low-magic world, and it shows in his limited ability to directly affect Middle-Earth (he usually has to get others to do the dirty work).
Elminster "wins", (if you want to call it that) because he is ridiculously over-powered in a high magic world.

Disclaimer: The above thoughts on Dumbledore are based on the movies. The books are simply unreadable for adults(at least this one).
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