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Aravine
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 Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 13:33:38
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I plan on playing a Gold Dragon in the near future. is there any stats for dragons above ECL 20?
if not, can someone help me with what the LA would be?
P.S: I have the Draconomicon, it's not in there.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 14:19:57
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Hmm, the SRD only has LA for up to Young 14 Monster Hit Dice, LA +6
Hit Dice (hp) 14d12+42 (133)
Str 25 Dex 10 Con 17 Int 16 Wis 17 Cha 16
Base Attack/Grapple +14/+25
Attack +20
Fort Save +12
Ref Save +9
Will Save +12
Breath Weapon (DC) 6d10 (20)
To get to level higher add classes instead of monster hit dice and add adjustments that come from class, add feats, skill points and stat boost the same as any other character.
Now the SRD does have stats for larger dragons up to 41 HD, just the SRD indicates these should not be PCs, perhaps because of Frightful
Presence or size.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 16:53:25
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| The 3.5 Draconomicon has rules for playing epic level dragons. |
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Aravine
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 16:57:03
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
The 3.5 Draconomicon has rules for playing epic level dragons.
what paqe is that? or where? I have the draconomicon and it's not there. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 01:06:17
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| P. 142-144: Advancement and aging. There is an example featuring a gold dragon up until ECL 21. |
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Aravine
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Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 12:59:30
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
P. 142-144: Advancement and aging. There is an example featuring a gold dragon up until ECL 21.
Wrong the ecl goes up to 20. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Germany
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Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 17:04:09
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| No, 21: (P. 144) "When Keryst turns 6, he becomes a very young dragon and he must advance another dragon level. ... he is still a 5th-level-paladin, and his level adjustment is still +4, so he is now a 21st-level character". You have to look into the text, not into the tables. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 17:06:53
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But what about the older dragons, how do you find the Level adjustment?
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 21:41:38
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| This is an interesting question. You have follow the mode desribed by the example in the text as long as possible, I presume. And if your are getting too old, you will be no longer suited to fit into a party of PC adventurer because your are becoming to powerfull, I think. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 22:15:46
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Originally posted by Aravine
But what about the older dragons, how do you find the Level adjustment?
No LA means can not be a PC, design team just did not want huge PCs |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 15:01:39
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So, then DM's if they allow it, should just make it up?
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shandiris
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 19:36:26
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Epic level dragon PC's
