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vorpalanvil
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Posted - 30 May 2013 :  18:51:26  Show Profile Send vorpalanvil a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
If you play any old school dnd this should be of interest. Ever hear of the "Vancian magic system"?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/30/Author-Jack-Vance-dies-at-home-in-Calif

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 May 2013 :  19:06:10  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I read his Dying Earth books for the first time a year or two ago -- my interest was due, in no small part, to wanting to see for myself what the Vancian magical system was.

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 30 May 2013 :  19:48:14  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jack Vance was one of the greats. I especially recommend THE DYING EARTH (for fantasy) and the DEMON PRINCES series (for SF.) But you're unlikely to go wrong reading any of his books.
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Brimstone
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Posted - 31 May 2013 :  01:31:19  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
RIP

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Quale
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Posted - 31 May 2013 :  09:17:37  Show Profile Send Quale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Vance is my favorite writer in fantasy, or at least top 3. I also recommend what Richard Lee Byers said, tough if you're a fan of the Realms, Lyonesse is the most similar setting.

We also have demodands, grues, Vecna, and Ioun stones from Vance.
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 :  05:53:56  Show Profile Send Xar Zarath a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have not read the Dying Earth series *yet* but I plan on starting if only to get a feel of what the actual Vancian system of magic really is.

IIRC, the Vancian system in his Dying Earth series is markedly different from DND in terms of number of spells and the whole 8 hour rest period. Apparently the wizards of Dying Earth can simply rememorize the same spell over and over without needing to rest.

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vorpalanvil
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 :  06:57:23  Show Profile Send vorpalanvil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The whole 8 hour thing came along in 3rd ed. 2ed requires a set amount of minutes per spell level if you use some of the later optional books like the Player's Option series or Pages from the Mages. Also the ability to cast a large number of spells is limited in Cudgel's world to nearly immortal and invincible ancient wizards, but rarely do novels exactly reflect what happens in a game.

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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 :  12:51:08  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Vance’s style is lyrical, and he describes his world like only a pro can, but . . . Well, let me stick to ellipsis this time. It’s bad manners to say something not so good about the work of someone who’s just passed away . . .

May he rest in peace.

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