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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 :  15:12:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Another map related question (sorry).

While going through volume 1 of the Horde boxed set, I came across this line under "Clearflow River" entry (pg.36) -

"Only extensive patrols and border forts can keep the settlers safe, but neither Rashemen, Thay, Thazalhar, nor Murghom can establish such a system without incurring the wrath of neighboring nations."

Thazalhar? From the text it appears to be another country, but I don't see another entry for it in the books, nor do I see it on the maps. Does anyone know what this is referencing?

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Kuje
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It's a Tharch of Thay, see page 207 of the FRCS. Probably also in UE and Spellbound and Dreams of the Red Wizards.

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Victor_ograygor
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The rolling hills region of Thazalhar, bounded by the River Thazarim and the River of the Dawn, is perhaps the most desolate region of Thay. Once home to bountiful farms and prosperous inhabitants, the region withered during the Battle of Thazalhar in 922 DR under the boots of sword-wielding soldiers, the spells of the Red Wizards, and havoc wreaked by summoned elementals. The Red Wizards defeated the army of the Mulhorandi god-kings during that battle, and Thay has remained independent of Mulhorand ever since. Yet the cost to Thazalhar was high, as for generations thereafter, nothing grew or could be grown amidst the blackened ruins.

Now, over four centuries later, Thazalhar is fertile again, yet it remains largely uninhabited. The wild and empty easternmost province of Thay is largely ignored, and it is a place to be endured by the wizards, soldiers, and slaves compelled to live there. Each spring thaw raises a crop of grisly relics -- old bones and rusted armaments -- from the earth. All too frequently, such legacies of battles past rise up as undead to plague the living.

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quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

The rolling hills region of Thazalhar, bounded by the River Thazarim and the River of the Dawn, is perhaps the most desolate region of Thay. Once home to bountiful farms and prosperous inhabitants, the region withered during the Battle of Thazalhar in 922 DR under the boots of sword-wielding soldiers, the spells of the Red Wizards, and havoc wreaked by summoned elementals. The Red Wizards defeated the army of the Mulhorandi god-kings during that battle, and Thay has remained independent of Mulhorand ever since. Yet the cost to Thazalhar was high, as for generations thereafter, nothing grew or could be grown amidst the blackened ruins.

Now, over four centuries later, Thazalhar is fertile again, yet it remains largely uninhabited. The wild and empty easternmost province of Thay is largely ignored, and it is a place to be endured by the wizards, soldiers, and slaves compelled to live there. Each spring thaw raises a crop of grisly relics -- old bones and rusted armaments -- from the earth. All too frequently, such legacies of battles past rise up as undead to plague the living.





Sounds like a good place to invade and take over! As long as you don't mind the Red Wizards reprisals! Ring of Spell Turning anyone?


But it could be a good place to set an adventure, on the edge of Thay! and all those undead!

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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 :  16:12:10  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the quick resposes. The way it's worded, it sounded like a country. I didn't even think to look at Thay.

I wonder why the author listed both Thay and Thazalhar as if they were seperate entities?

Anyhow, making slooooooow headway on my latest endeavor - A map of Kara-Tur that actually lines up to the existing Faerūn Map at WotC, and eventually Zakhara as well.

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Kuje
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You're right, it does read like it's a nation from the way it's worded.

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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 :  23:37:34  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Considering that the Horde know very little about Thay, and look upon Thazalhar itself a "dead land", from their perspective, and from what little they do know about the Unapproachable East, they may consider it a separate region from Thay. We know the nomads of the Endless Waste have spent little time exploring this particular stretch of their "western" frontier, so this lack of accurate geographical information may have made the Horde naturally assume Thazalhar was not actually a part of the Thayvian nation.

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Markustay
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That may well be, because I've come across yet again another line that makes Thazalhar appear to be it's own nation.

I also came across at least one reference to the "Secret Imaskar Empire" working at odds to Semphar. That was as of the SAME YEAR as the Horde novels took place (1360?).

Me thinks someone (the author) was VERY misinformed. Unless there is a covert group by that name I haven't come across, thats a VERY strange reference (vol.1, pg.42)

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George Krashos
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Deep Imaskar was first unveiled in the "Underdark" accessory and further developments have occurred as of the novel "Darkvision".

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