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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2006 : 18:42:40
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Please reserve this scroll for posting updates and corrections to the Dragons of Faerun Excel file found here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060913a
Please post updates or corrections that include the content of ALL cells in a row. Please use "BLANK" for blank cells. I will periodically gather up suggested changes and additions, update my copy of the file, and pitch it to Wizards as an updated version.
General discussion should be reserved for another scroll.
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 00:32:00
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Leave it to me to spot this one:
Thauglorimorgorus, "The Black Doom," "Thauglor the Mighty," "The Purple Dragon" //BLANK//Dead //Male //great wyrm // black // Storm Horns //Defeated by Iliphar Nelnueve, slain by King Azoun I //Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 113, Cormyr: A Novel
Thauglor already had spawn (great-grandspawn, in fact) back in -400 DR (Cormyr: A Novel, ch. 1), when he was "getting old"--so old, in fact, that his scales were fading from their natural black to their famous yellow. Even if Thauglor had only been hatched in the year the chapter is set, he still would have been more than 1500 years old at the time of his death in 1018 DR: far more than old enough to have reached "great wyrm" (1201 yrs) status. Frankly, I'm inclined to make him an advanced great wyrm for my own purposes (he's far older, and certainly larger, than any other black dragons), but from purely the canon lore, he's a great wyrm. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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4607 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 01:05:53
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Krazel
Blank/Female/Ancient/Green/Kryptgarden/Dungeon 26 page 9 of the FR module The Inheritence
Krazel is allied with the Hobgoblin tribe that appears in the module. It also mentions she has 3 children (Names not given) |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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2067 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 01:43:02
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Krazel
Blank/Female/Ancient/Green/Kryptgarden/Dungeon 26 page 9 of the FR module The Inheritence
Krazel is allied with the Hobgoblin tribe that appears in the module. It also mentions she has 3 children (Names not given)
Oh, one more point. We made a conscious decision not to include any references to "a red dragon lairing on this or that mountain". Only if the dragons warranted a name (even a goofy nickname) in the original references did we include it on the list.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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4607 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 02:20:27
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So Krazel counts (Because she has a name) but her unamed children wont?
Fair enough |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6648 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 03:41:10
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We had to do it that way because products like "Elminster's Ecologies" mention a bucket-load of unnamed dragons and it got a little too much. I had enough trouble coming up with names for all the nicknamed ones, let alone making up more names and details for yet another dross of faceless wyrms.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 03:55:05
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After CoS:Web Enhancement and Blackstaff giving a mention to the rumored gold dragon from the Sleeping Dragon Inn in Rassalantar, I hoped that DoF would confirm or deny it  |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 04:24:33
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| Here's one: Arethnektilhimon: CR 17 (Male Old Brass Dragon - Anauroch) page 115 DoF. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 06:42:48
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More Dragons
Srossar Blank/Dead?/Male/Ancient/Bronze/Phlan/Possessed by Tyranthraxus when he bathed in the Pool of Radience/ Ruins of Adventure page 5
Shaleen Blank/blank/Female/blank/Were Dragon (Song)/Moonshae isles/ Hall of the High King: various places throughout the module
Alghazh Blank/Living/Male/very young/green/Cormyr or South west Dalelands/ Appears in the module Shadowdale on page 23
Ulhindos /blank/living/female/Adult/Black/Cormyr or south west dalelands, Appears in the module Shadowdale on page 24 and can be summoned by a Cult of the Dragon follower named Maerhindors |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 23:42:41
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From the comics:
Murilantilathenes, "Muri"/blank/Living/Male/blank/bronze/blank/blank/Forgotten Realms comic, issue 5
Chlorahskiir/blank/Dead/Female/blank/green/base of a mangrove tree somewhere near Shadowdale/Slain by unnamed wizard/Forgotten Realms comic, issue 6
Argentorkillauri/blank/Living/Female/blank/silver/blank/blank/Forgotten Realms comic, issue 6
"Hedrick"/blank/Dead/Male/blank/black/blank/posed as a one-eyed Waterdhavian guardsman/Advanced Dungeons & Dragons comic, issues 27-30
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36779 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 23:58:51
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| Eric, are you interested in the dragons that are in the Spelljammer book Realmspace? I have the book and like it, but it's got some material that has since been invalidated by Realms-specific material, and it is a Spelljammer supplement... |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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2067 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 00:31:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Eric, are you interested in the dragons that are in the Spelljammer book Realmspace? I have the book and like it, but it's got some material that has since been invalidated by Realms-specific material, and it is a Spelljammer supplement...
Yes. Post the references and I'll evaluate them later.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 01:21:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Eric, are you interested in the dragons that are in the Spelljammer book Realmspace? I have the book and like it, but it's got some material that has since been invalidated by Realms-specific material, and it is a Spelljammer supplement...
Do you know, I was just thinking about Realmspace. Eric's scroll got me thinking about other obscure non-FR-tome Dragon references that noted dragons active in the Realms.
I also remember one dragon mentioned in Planes of Law (that the dragon was presently living in the Realms) that wasn't on the list.
Eric, are you interested in that reference as well?
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 02:53:55
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Eric, are you interested in the dragons that are in the Spelljammer book Realmspace? I have the book and like it, but it's got some material that has since been invalidated by Realms-specific material, and it is a Spelljammer supplement...
Do you know, I was just thinking about Realmspace. Eric's scroll got me thinking about other obscure non-FR-tome Dragon references that noted dragons active in the Realms.
I also remember one dragon mentioned in Planes of Law (that the dragon was presently living in the Realms) that wasn't on the list.
Eric, are you interested in that reference as well?
Yes.
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Dhomal
Senior Scribe
USA
565 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 04:41:58
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Hello-
Eric - if one were to have tracked down a reference, and the reference only included a 'nickname' style name - shoule we leave the name blank, or could we suggest a suitable name?
Thanks!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 05:46:59
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| His 15 September 1:43 post seems to indicate that even if just a nickname is known, it's acceptable. One of the dragons I listed was never named, as a dragon -- the name given was the one he used in his human guise. |
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Dhomal
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565 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 06:40:01
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Hello-
I definately understood the inclusion of the nickname - but DoF mentions that if a Dragon was only known by a nickname - their 'real' name was revealed. So - the dragon I beleive to have found has a nickname, but no draconinc name - and was curious if I could suggest the actual draconic name to be used. :)
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 11:50:05
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Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
I definately understood the inclusion of the nickname - but DoF mentions that if a Dragon was only known by a nickname - their 'real' name was revealed. So - the dragon I beleive to have found has a nickname, but no draconinc name - and was curious if I could suggest the actual draconic name to be used. :)
Dhomal
Absolutely. But please indicate that you are doing so. (And if there's a translation from Dragon #260, please give it as well.)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36779 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 12:36:22
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| Hells, if I'd've known I could do that, I would have suggested a name for Hedrick! Hmmm... I must ponder... |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 16:00:54
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Hey Eric,
Another scribe brought this name up Guev'Ressunvee a male green dragon from the Green Regent setting, would you like to add him if we can find the necessary information? (surely someone played the rpga game and still have a copy of the necessary information) |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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2067 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 16:21:04
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Originally posted by Bakra
Hey Eric,
Another scribe brought this name up Guev'Ressunvee a male green dragon from the Green Regent setting, would you like to add him if we can find the necessary information? (surely someone played the rpga game and still have a copy of the necessary information)
Yes. Please don't hesitate to just add stuff to this thread (rather than ask permission for new corner cases). I'll read through each proposal and decide in one fell swoop.
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 15:20:25
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Borealis/CR 10/Dead/Male/Adult/White/Southern Arm of the Sword Mountains/Slain by the Order of the Jade Blade/LGR: Tour of Duty #17
Guev’Ressunvee “Green King”/blank/Living/Male/blank/Green/Astral Plane/Banished by Mielikki,He was the First Green Regent/LGR # 13 (Book Knowledge) & 18 (The Ruins of Karse), XGR #3 (Undermountain)
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Bakra
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 02:00:27
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Xerxillis/CR 07/Dead/Male/Young Adult/Red/ GreypeakMountains/Slain by Order of the Jade Blade/LGR:#9 Denial of Resources
Infyrana “Furam the Deft”/Blank/Living/Female/Great Wyrm/Red/Formerly ‘Dragon Mountain’/Scarred nose from dwarven axe, Laired in a planeshifting mountain where she was defeated and now wanders the Realms/ Dragon Mountain Box Set
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 22:44:00
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I know it's been almost 2 months but:
I think this one is missing.
"Vaeros Fireshield", 11th Druid, Male Gold Dragon, TN, Mielikki, Initiate of the 11th Circle. Member of the Tall Trees, Champions of Valor.
Unless that's Aerosclughpalar, "Gildenfire".....
This one also might be missing:
Shianax, Female Young Adult Brown Dragon, NE, Guide of Durdyn's Devils as they explore Sonjar's Tower, Lost Empires of Faerun
Valdemar, Adult Green Dragon, LE, Found on Wyllowwood, Ruins of Undermountain II: Campaign.
Beryeya, Female Adult White Dragon, CE, Arguing with the two frost giants about a wagon, Ruins of Zhentil Keep: Adventures
Nyadnar, Gem Dragon, TN, Was Zaranda Star's mentor but flew off to the west, Lands of Intrigue: Book 1
Clematis, Faerie Dragon, Lives in the pixie village, The Mines of Bloodstone
Clematis, Faerie Dragon, Lives in the pixie village, The Throne of Bloodstone
Indanthrene, Faerie Dragon, Lives in the pixie village, The Mines of Bloodstone
Indanthrene, Faerie Dragon, Lives in the pixie village, The Throne of Bloodstone
Curcumon, Faerie Dragon, Lives in the pixie village, The Mines of Bloodstone
Curcumon, Faerie Dragon, Lives in the pixie village, The Throne of Bloodstone
(Kuje's Note: Now I don't own the third module of this trilogy, so I'm not sure if they appear in that module also. Maybe WOTC has one they are willing to research... or a poster can check?)
Cueperia, Baby Copper Dragon, Part of Alfrendo's Mythical Menagerie, Swords of the Iron Legion
Arctigis, Huge Ancient White Dragon, CE, Servitor of Zhengyi, The Throne of Bloodstone
Fyrillicus, the Abyssian Dragon, Red Dragon, CE, Patrols the wasteland. Abyss-bred, The Throne of Bloodstone
Kizzap Morueme, Very Old Blue Dragon, Lives in Morueme's Cave with his family, The Savage Frontier
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Srossar, Male Ancient Bronze Dragon, Possed by Tyranthraxus, Ruins of Adventures
Alghazh, Male Small Green Dragon, Spies on the PC's with a gem, Time of Troubles: Shadowdale
Ulhindos, Female Adult Black Dragon, Summoned by Maerhindor of the Cult of the Dragon, Time of Troubles: Shadowdale
Gaumahavi, Female Greater Purple Dragon, TN, Unique dragon, Storm Riders
Gaumahavi, Female Greater Purple Dragon, TN, Unique dragon, Black Courser
Gaumahavi, Female Greater Purple Dragon, TN, Unique dragon, Blood Charge
Shaleen, Female Weredragon, In the service to Flamsterd, Halls of the High King
Firebrand Flametongue, Male Red Dragon, Ex-mercenary that lives on Toril. Elminster teleported him to Coliar, Realmspace (Sage might have given you this one...)
Titan, Male Adult Blue Dragon, Mentioned in Edward Magney's entry, Port of Ravens Bluff
Aramag, Male Dragon Turtle, Considers the territory of the Sea of Swords north of Chult as his, The Jungles of Chult
Ashazstamn, Dracolich, Lairs in the Desertsmouth Mountains overlooking the Spiderhaunt Woods, The Dalelands
Shhuusshuru (Shadow-wing), Female Great Wyrm Shadow Dracolich, CE, Turned by the Cult of the Dragon, Book of Lairs
Greshrukk (Red Eye), Male Old Red Dracolich, CE, Being turned by the Cult of the Dragon, Book of Lairs
Emerash, Adult Green Dragon, LE, Lairs near Shadowdale, The Sword of the Dales
Awsidorg, Male Black Dragon, Lairs in the High Moor, Elminster's Ecologies: Appendix 11 (This might have been renamed to something else. I tried to find it using the search command but it came up with nothing)
Borcher, Male Bronze Dragon, Lairs in the Serpent Hills,Elminster's Ecologies: Appendix 11 (See above)
Chenowyn, Female Ruby Dragon, TN, Apprentice to Zaranda Star, Heroes Lorebook
Shadowdeath, Male Juvenile Shadow Dragon, CE, Lairs in the Tower of Ruin near Halfhap in Cormyr, Four from Cormyr
Timoni (Cuprantimonitinam), Male Young Bronze Dragon, Took the form of tressym. Acts as the familiar for Reverend Father Benetine Boldoran in the Cloister of St. Ramedar, Powers & Pantheons
Dheubpurcwenpyl, "The Honored Queen of the Depths", Female Great Wyrm Deep Dragon, Lairs in the Rift of Dhalnadar, Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark
Claugxinaurak, Venerable Green Dragon, Serves Tordynnar Rhaevaern as a steed. Lairs with the baelnorn in the the crypt in the heart of the Wood of Sharp Teeth, Cloak & Dagger
Zzygarn, Young Black Dragon, CE, Lairs in Vassa. Dragon of the Cult of the Dragon, Dungeon #53
Flameshoot, Male Adult Red Dragon, CE, Lairs in Vassa, Dungeon #53
Wyndfire, Mature Adult Red Dragon, CE, Lairs in Vassa. Dragon of the Cult of the Dragon, Dungeon #53
Snizzler, Mature Adult Red Dragon, CE, Lairs in Vassa. Dragon of the Cult of the Dragon, Dungeon #53
Glurgle, Young Adult Black Dragon, CE, Lairs in Vassa. Dragon of the Cult of the Dragon, Dungeon #53
Snunkweed, Young Adult Black Dragon, CE, Lairs in Vassa. Dragon of the Cult of the Dragon, Dungeon #53
Yellowbright, Female Young Topaz Dragon, CN, Lairs on the Sword Coast, Dungeon #64
Kai Chiang Lung, Male River Dragon, LN, Resides at the bottom of Lake Sari, Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms (Not sure if you want dragons of the other continents.)
Aja Pelima (Ajax Firestorm), Male Venerable Red Dragon, CE, Owner of Mad Aja's Magic for Fools & Simpletons in Huzuz, the City of Delights. Looking for the Haluraa skyship that is in one of the warehouses of the Al-Danafi family, City of Delights (See above)
Kame-Renn, Male Wyrm Lung Wang Dragon, TN, Officer of Qui, Test of the Samurai
Sawaka, Male Old Pan Lung Dragon, CN, Officer of Qui, Test of the Samurai
Anyo, Female Very Old Chaing Lung Dragon, LN, Resides in a cave, Test of the Samurai
Li Kit Su, Male Old Shen Lung Dragon, CN, Lives in the Yama-san river, Ninja Wars
Hokioptl, Very Young Tlalocoatl Dragon, LE, Lairs in Cavern F, Fires of Zatal
I might have repeated some of these that the other posters gave you, but I'm making sure that they are listed.
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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2067 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 23:05:23
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Originally posted by Kuje
I know it's been almost 2 months but:
I think this one is missing.
"Vaeros Fireshield", 11th Druid, Male Gold Dragon, TN, Mielikki, Initiate of the 11th Circle. Member of the Tall Trees, Champions of Valor.
Unless that's Aerosclughpalar, "Gildenfire".....
That's old Gildenfire.
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This one also might be missing:
Shianax, Female Young Adult Brown Dragon, NE, Guide of Durdyn's Devils as they explore Sonjar's Tower, Lost Empires of Faerun
I think this one is missing.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 05:06:33
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| There's also Torm's Mount in Faiths & Pantheons. It's not given a name other then Torm's Mount. |
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Murray Leeder
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 18:28:04
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Can I use this opportunity to clarify something? All of my references said Great Worm, Great Worm Cavern, Great Worm Tribe, Elrem the Great Worm and so no. This was the case even as recently as Harley Stroh's story in Realms of the Dragons II.
Yet when Son of Thunder came out, I found that all my references to "the Great Worm" were changed to "the Great Wyrm." Is there some reference I missed? |
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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 18:34:53
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Can I use this opportunity to clarify something? All of my references said Great Worm, Great Worm Cavern, Great Worm Tribe, Elrem the Great Worm and so no. This was the case even as recently as Harley Stroh's story in Realms of the Dragons II.
Yet when Son of Thunder came out, I found that all my references to "the Great Worm" were changed to "the Great Wyrm." Is there some reference I missed?
Well reading the Savage Frontier sourcebook from 1e or early 2e, says Wyrm which is why I put it as wyrm in my NPC file. I dunno, maybe TSR later changed it to worm..... and WOTC changed it back to wyrm? I dunno. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Murray Leeder
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 21:10:51
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Can I use this opportunity to clarify something? All of my references said Great Worm, Great Worm Cavern, Great Worm Tribe, Elrem the Great Worm and so no. This was the case even as recently as Harley Stroh's story in Realms of the Dragons II.
Yet when Son of Thunder came out, I found that all my references to "the Great Worm" were changed to "the Great Wyrm." Is there some reference I missed?
Well reading the Savage Frontier sourcebook from 1e or early 2e, says Wyrm which is why I put it as wyrm in my NPC file. I dunno, maybe TSR later changed it to worm..... and WOTC changed it back to wyrm? I dunno.
Ah, interesting! Looking through the Savage Frontier, Elrem is referred to as the Great Worm many times, and as "a Great Wyrm" only once. This appears, however, to be a reference to his age, not his name.
As for whether or not he's a dragon, he's referred to by the implausible adjective "dragonish." Under the 3rd Edition's literal categories of what does and does not a dragon make, I suspect he qualifies. |
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 21:18:20
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Can I use this opportunity to clarify something? All of my references said Great Worm, Great Worm Cavern, Great Worm Tribe, Elrem the Great Worm and so no. This was the case even as recently as Harley Stroh's story in Realms of the Dragons II.
Yet when Son of Thunder came out, I found that all my references to "the Great Worm" were changed to "the Great Wyrm." Is there some reference I missed?
Well reading the Savage Frontier sourcebook from 1e or early 2e, says Wyrm which is why I put it as wyrm in my NPC file. I dunno, maybe TSR later changed it to worm..... and WOTC changed it back to wyrm? I dunno.
Ah, interesting! Looking through the Savage Frontier, Elrem is referred to as the Great Worm many times, and as "a Great Wyrm" only once. This appears, however, to be a reference to his age, not his name.
As for whether or not he's a dragon, he's referred to by the implausible adjective "dragonish." Under the 3rd Edition's literal categories of what does and does not a dragon make, I suspect he qualifies.
Personally, I always remembered the "Great Worm" spelling. From that I deduced he was more of a serpentine creature and less of a true dragon per se. (Although, in 3e, I agree, he was probably of Type dragon.)
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 22:16:55
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Can I use this opportunity to clarify something? All of my references said Great Worm, Great Worm Cavern, Great Worm Tribe, Elrem the Great Worm and so no. This was the case even as recently as Harley Stroh's story in Realms of the Dragons II.
Yet when Son of Thunder came out, I found that all my references to "the Great Worm" were changed to "the Great Wyrm." Is there some reference I missed?
Well reading the Savage Frontier sourcebook from 1e or early 2e, says Wyrm which is why I put it as wyrm in my NPC file. I dunno, maybe TSR later changed it to worm..... and WOTC changed it back to wyrm? I dunno.
Ah, interesting! Looking through the Savage Frontier, Elrem is referred to as the Great Worm many times, and as "a Great Wyrm" only once. This appears, however, to be a reference to his age, not his name.
As for whether or not he's a dragon, he's referred to by the implausible adjective "dragonish." Under the 3rd Edition's literal categories of what does and does not a dragon make, I suspect he qualifies.
Personally, I always remembered the "Great Worm" spelling. From that I deduced he was more of a serpentine creature and less of a true dragon per se. (Although, in 3e, I agree, he was probably of Type dragon.)
--Eric
Well, in the same write up in Savage Frontier, he also has the Wyrmguards. So, TSR used both terms for him. Dunno, confusing a bit since the cave is called the Worm Cave but he has Wyrmguards. :) |
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