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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 00:46:00
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Can I use this opportunity to clarify something? All of my references said Great Worm, Great Worm Cavern, Great Worm Tribe, Elrem the Great Worm and so no. This was the case even as recently as Harley Stroh's story in Realms of the Dragons II.
Yet when Son of Thunder came out, I found that all my references to "the Great Worm" were changed to "the Great Wyrm." Is there some reference I missed?
Well reading the Savage Frontier sourcebook from 1e or early 2e, says Wyrm which is why I put it as wyrm in my NPC file. I dunno, maybe TSR later changed it to worm..... and WOTC changed it back to wyrm? I dunno.
Ah, interesting! Looking through the Savage Frontier, Elrem is referred to as the Great Worm many times, and as "a Great Wyrm" only once. This appears, however, to be a reference to his age, not his name.
As for whether or not he's a dragon, he's referred to by the implausible adjective "dragonish." Under the 3rd Edition's literal categories of what does and does not a dragon make, I suspect he qualifies.
Personally, I always remembered the "Great Worm" spelling. From that I deduced he was more of a serpentine creature and less of a true dragon per se. (Although, in 3e, I agree, he was probably of Type dragon.)
--Eric
You'll note that the "Great Wyrm" itself is use to describe him as a "dragonish" creature. Additionally, the Altar in Great Worm Cavern is described as being "shaped like a spiralling winged snake, the great worm" which only adds to the confusion.
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Harley Stroh
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 20:47:31
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elrem, Great Wyrm, Guards the Great Wyrm Cavern, The Savage Frontier (Not sure if this one is a dragon but it seems like it should be...)
Can I use this opportunity to clarify something? All of my references said Great Worm, Great Worm Cavern, Great Worm Tribe, Elrem the Great Worm and so no. This was the case even as recently as Harley Stroh's story in Realms of the Dragons II.
Yet when Son of Thunder came out, I found that all my references to "the Great Worm" were changed to "the Great Wyrm." Is there some reference I missed?
My memory is a bit fuzzy (the story was written, what, 4 years ago now?) but I believe I had used "Wyrm" in my draft, but during proofing it was changed to "Worm."
There. I've suceeded in adding nothing to the conversation. :)
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Murray Leeder
Forgotten Realms Author
Canada
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 06:17:34
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 20:39:33
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| Antharikkan, an albino young adult black dracolich that is a member of the Cult of the Dragon in Aencar's Manor in Battledale. Faiths & Pantheons page 156. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 21:09:23
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| I was actually considering writing up Aencar's Manor for DoF instead of Karthaut, but space just didn't permit it. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 21:29:23
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I was actually considering writing up Aencar's Manor for DoF instead of Karthaut, but space just didn't permit it.
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Now that would have been something I could have made use of instead. :) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 02:53:24
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Kind of surprised you guys missed this one since you got one from page 97.
Glouroth, Male Mature Adult Shadow Dragon, CE, Lairs in The Wailing Cliff, page 144 and 145 of City of the Spider Queen. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 12:41:39
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I was actually considering writing up Aencar's Manor for DoF instead of Karthaut, but space just didn't permit it.
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Now that would have been something I could have made use of instead. :)
It would have been great, but it wouldn't have fit into the space available in the book. It was just way to big for an adventure between 5,000-10,000 words. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 16:37:09
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I was actually considering writing up Aencar's Manor for DoF instead of Karthaut, but space just didn't permit it.
Ah,
Now that would have been something I could have made use of instead. :)
It would have been great, but it wouldn't have fit into the space available in the book. It was just way to big for an adventure between 5,000-10,000 words.
Oh, no doubt but it would still have been grand to have. :) Ah well..... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 23:29:34
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I was actually considering writing up Aencar's Manor for DoF instead of Karthaut, but space just didn't permit it.
Ah,
Now that would have been something I could have made use of instead. :)
It would have been great, but it wouldn't have fit into the space available in the book. It was just way to big for an adventure between 5,000-10,000 words.
Oh, no doubt but it would still have been grand to have. :) Ah well.....
I must've missed this earlier... but...  A write-up for Aencar's Manor would have indeed been nifty! Perhaps for a future web enhancement? Hehe...
Or rather, keep it aside Eytan, until you've the opportunity to work on a future sourcebook for FR. Then drop it in... 
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2006 : 12:58:06
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| I'm afraid an adventure of that size would likely need to be a short book on its own. It just wouldn't fit into the normal space allotted in current sourcebooks. You never know, but I don't have any plans for it at the moment. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2006 : 16:05:09
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| Eladmorickharmok “Harm”/ CR 9/living/male/ Young Adult/ dzalmaus/ somewhere on the southern base of the Glittering Spines, southeast of the Winterkeep/ pillaging caravans along the Golden Way and Spice Road/ Bestiary of the Realms, Volume 2 |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2006 : 21:17:03
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| Wooly, thanks for including Harm :-), but he's by no means official. I just don't have that kind of clout.... :-) Though, Eytan and Eric are free to include him. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2006 : 21:26:17
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Wooly, thanks for including Harm :-), but he's by no means official. I just don't have that kind of clout.... :-) Though, Eytan and Eric are free to include him.
Well, guess what I was reading on my lunch break.
Me, I consider the Bestiaries to be semi-official. To me, they are as official as they can get without having WotC's stamp on them.  |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 21:11:21
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| Thanks. Just don't tell WotC. :-) But very pleased you like them. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 16:20:56
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Eric,
Daurgothoth, "The Creeping Doom" has different stat's then the ones in your database, which can be found on page 143 of Underdark. He's listed just as a Male Black Great Wyrm Dracolich. No class levels are listed. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 00:23:47
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Dheubpurcwenpyl, also known as Malla Harl Valsharess, a CE Great Wyrm Deep Dragon that lairs in the Rift of Dhalnadar. Page 173 of Underdark. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 00:34:27
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Charvekkanathor, "The Scarlet," "Charvek" is mentioned on page 173 of Underdark. You don't have that reference in your database. Nor do you have his Lost Empires of Faerun reference. Not sure what the page number is in that book. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 00:54:11
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Originally posted by Kuje
And,
Charvekkanathor, "The Scarlet," "Charvek" is mentioned on page 173 of Underdark. You don't have that reference in your database. Nor do you have his Lost Empires of Faerun reference. Not sure what the page number is in that book.
Charvekkanathor's reference in LEoF is on pg. 119.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 01:03:50
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Imvaernarhro, "Inferno", 40, Living, Male, great wyrm, advanced 61 HD red Star Mounts, High Forest, Draconomicon [1e] 38, Power of Faerun 98.
I'm curious on why you didn't also include the reference to his stats on pages 121 and 122 of Power of Faerun.
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Rhoaringoarh, "The Mighty," "Old Roar-and-Gore", 19, Living, Male ancient, black, Upper Thornwash Marshes (north of the Lake of Steam), Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 154, Lands of Intrigue: Amn 38, Champions of Ruin 74.
He's referenced on page 119 and 120 of Power of Faerun. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 18:04:40
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Since I finally managed to procure a copy of Blodstone Pass, the three fairy dragons that I mentioned in my long post are also in the Bloodstone Pass booklet.
Wonders if Eric is still reading this thread. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2007 : 16:11:46
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Okies. I think I'm dragon'd out until I get to Serpent Kingdoms and Dragon/Dungeon/web content. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 00:59:14
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Eytan or Eric,
Is Calathanorgoth male or female? The info on page 94 says he is male but he's listed as female in the list on page 148. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 17:13:18
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Originally posted by Kuje
Eytan or Eric,
Is Calathanorgoth male or female? The info on page 94 says he is male but he's listed as female in the list on page 148.
I'll have to check it out when I get back home on Sunday. I don't have my books with me at the moment. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 21:27:00
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Kuje
Eytan or Eric,
Is Calathanorgoth male or female? The info on page 94 says he is male but he's listed as female in the list on page 148.
I'll have to check it out when I get back home on Sunday. I don't have my books with me at the moment.
Is having a weird case of deja vu. Eric will understand this reply more then anyone else will. :) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 15:58:15
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Uh hum,
You know...... you guys forgot about a important dragon. :) The two that go off to slumber at the end of Elminster's Daughter...... There's at least four other dragons, if not more, mentioned in that novel.
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Vangy and his mate, since Vangy turns himself into a dragon. :)
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2007 : 02:46:30
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I'm back! :)
Weeshrike. A pseudodragon that is a companion to Silas Broon, the owner of the Flagon and the Dragon Tavern in Skullport. Skullport sourcebook.
Edit: Thauglorimorgorus is also mentioned under Aubleth Crownsilver's entry in Dragon #280, since he helped kill that dragon. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2007 : 01:39:02
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| The Dragon of the Deeps. Advanced 36HD Dragon Turtle. Lairs in the Deepwash. Serpent Kingdoms page 123. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 00:06:32
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| Felgolos is mentioned on page 132 of Serpent Kingdoms under the Chultengar entry. I didn't see this reference in your web article. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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