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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 :  12:50:42  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Admittedly I have way too much time on my hands...

I know that we are dealing with an abstract RPG system but recently I have been thinking about the difference in wizard and cleric spells.

Wizards research and thus create new spells. They gain their power from the universal force of magic. (The Weave in FR)

Clerics gain their power from the gods they worship. They pray for their spells etc. In essence, from my point of view, a cleric's spells are prayers and as such they are also portrayed in the novels.

If a cleric prays for his spells and his spells are prayers, how can a cleric 'research' new spells? Does he merely develop another prayer?

'Spell research' for a cleric, IMO, would be, in literary terms, the cleric reading and researching the books of his faith and work out a new prayer/ceremony which the god then approves...

Your views on this please

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Kuje
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 :  16:16:30  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with what you said but I'll add: The divine caster might also ask thier deity for a new spell that was based on some idea the divine caster had. For example, the divine caster thinks that a spell to strengthen trees would be a good thing to have, and so the deity sends such spell. :)

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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 :  17:23:31  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

Admittedly I have way too much time on my hands...



Well met

Hmmm, really? Then mayhaps thou art just the person i'm looking for...

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 :  17:53:44  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo


Well met

Hmmm, really? Then mayhaps thou art just the person i'm looking for...



Well met

Aye, I do have lots of time on my hands to muse, ponder and be somewhat creatively productive. At your service (and I will not sell my soul )

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quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo


Well met

Hmmm, really? Then mayhaps thou art just the person i'm looking for...



Well met

Aye, I do have lots of time on my hands to muse, ponder and be somewhat creatively productive. At your service (and I will not sell my soul )



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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 :  18:44:03  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think I sold my sold to some mead vendor a few years ago...can't remember a damn thing tho...

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Faraer
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 :  19:38:32  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Priestly 'spell research' is things like:
-- discovering an old prayer in a dusty religious work (see Prayers from the Faithful)
-- reading of a religious miracle once performed, and praying for it
-- having a divinely inspired dream and making it real in waking life
-- interpreting one of the god's myths in a new way, and making it into a new spell
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 :  21:01:46  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the input, guys. Up until I hit a boring spot at work (and trust me there will be more) I never really bothered with this line of thought, but I do believe I never really saw anything regarding this issue in the rulebooks...it was always spell research this spell research that...

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