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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 00:46:53
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Okay, I don't know if this question has been asked before... Is there anywhere a list of which families survived the Fall of Myth Drannor?
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 01:26:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, I don't know if this question has been asked before... Is there anywhere a list of which families survived the Fall of Myth Drannor?
I don't recall any product/novel giving an exact list on which families survived the Fall. I do know the Nierdre clan had only two house members escape following a handful of other survivors to Evermeet. That information comes from page 40 of Elves of Evermeet.
I suppose one could simply do an examination of the houses listed in the Evermeet product and compare it to the roster of Clans of the Cormanthyr to get some idea of clans that survived. However, I don't see that as being necessarily full proof that a clan perished. Perhaps surviving members simply choose to go elsewhere....Evereska?
A current update on the various elven clans is something I'd love to see in an FR product. I doubt I'll be so fortunate. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 01:30:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, I don't know if this question has been asked before... Is there anywhere a list of which families survived the Fall of Myth Drannor?
Well you could compare the houses, etc, that is in Cormanthyr with the info that is in Elves of Evermeet. Sure it probably isn't a complete list, but it's a place to start..... Sirius echoed my thoughts at the same time. :) |
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Edited by - Kuje on 19 Apr 2004 03:24:14 |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 03:12:16
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| I recall that one of the Starym escaped by way of his tainted moonblade. It's in the Fall of Myth Drannor PDF. Not sure about his name, though... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 03:34:32
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Originally posted by kuje31
Sirius echoed my thoughts at the same time. :)
Great minds... |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 03:42:18
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| I looked up the name. It was Velani Starym, who teleported out of Myth Drannor. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 03:46:57
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
Sirius echoed my thoughts at the same time. :)
Great minds...
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 04:47:47
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Besides House Starym and the Nierdre clan, are there any other families?. Perhaps, some of the Realms-scribes have some thoughts on this.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 04:53:07
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Shadowlord, there was another Starym who escaped. His name was Ilbryn Starym, who appeared in The Temptations of Elminster. He wanted revenge on Elminster but he dies at the end of the book when there was a magical explosion.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:08:30
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Besides House Starym and the Nierdre clan, are there any other families?. Perhaps, some of the Realms-scribes have some thoughts on this.
Well giving it a quick look through Elves of Evermeet and Cormanthyr it looks like these are the houses that survived and went to Evermeet. Silverspear, Durothil, Symbaern, Nierdre, Nightstar, Hawksong, Raedrimm (I'm not sure if this is the same house as house Raerdrimme that is listed in Elves of Evermeet). |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:28:48
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And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course.  |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:36:59
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| And also died as a gardener... of course. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 06:04:18
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course.
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 08:41:39
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course.
Zaor was killed in the novel Elfshadow was he not, in his hedge-maze garden?.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 08:50:33
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course.
Zaor was killed in the novel Elfshadow was he not, in his hedge-maze garden?.
Yup, but he was gardening, which was why Sirius said what he said. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 21:59:10
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Yup, but he was gardening, which was why Sirius said what he said. :)
Classic case in Zaor's death of why you should subcontract out any farm/gardening job to day laborers. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 22:01:04
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| Hmm... I have a question about Zoar's death. Since he was the King and ruler of Evermeet, why the hell didn't he have ANY magical protection on him. Didn't he even have a ring of protection? Also, where the hell are the bodyguards for such an important ruler?! |
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Kuje
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 22:21:43
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... I have a question about Zoar's death. Since he was the King and ruler of Evermeet, why the hell didn't he have ANY magical protection on him. Didn't he even have a ring of protection? Also, where the hell are the bodyguards for such an important ruler?!
Probably because he figured he was safe on Evermeet. Who really expected an elf to try to assassinate the king...... But that's my guess and if I recall right there was guards but they were guarding the entrances..... |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:23:28
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... I have a question about Zoar's death. Since he was the King and ruler of Evermeet, why the hell didn't he have ANY magical protection on him. Didn't he even have a ring of protection? Also, where the hell are the bodyguards for such an important ruler?!
Probably because he figured he was safe on Evermeet. Who really expected an elf to try to assassinate the king...... But that's my guess and if I recall right there was guards but they were guarding the entrances.....
It's certainly very much the possibility. In the relative safety of the gardens would probably be the last place the King, and his royal guard would expect an attack. Although, there have been similar examples of such assassinations in other novels . . .
And, besides the King's Guard, we must also remember the presence of the uniquely designed gardens of bellflowers, which are specially cultivated to act as a natural alarm system.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:35:05
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 07:53:56
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| Of course you're Not People! No other race compares to the fey folk, or even the drow! |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 20:23:32
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| Well, if he didn't have bodyguards, at least wear some protection, for god's sake! If I was a ruler of a country or a kingdom on Faerun, I would amass myself the most powerful magic and weapons I could afford. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 22:18:22
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, if he didn't have bodyguards, at least wear some protection, for god's sake! If I was a ruler of a country or a kingdom on Faerun, I would amass myself the most powerful magic and weapons I could afford.
And you'd wear them as you relaxed in your backyard, knowing that the nearest enemy was hundreds of miles away? |
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DDH_101
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 02:48:05
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| Why not? He is the ruler of the last elven stronghold. I don't expect Zoar to be wearing full-plate armour and armed to the teeth, but I expect him to have like a dagger on him and some magical protection. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 04:59:30
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Why not? He is the ruler of the last elven stronghold. I don't expect Zoar to be wearing full-plate armour and armed to the teeth, but I expect him to have like a dagger on him and some magical protection.
Didn't Zaor die pre-Retreat? Also, remember how old he was. Old minds make mistakes... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 06:09:41
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Why not? He is the ruler of the last elven stronghold. I don't expect Zoar to be wearing full-plate armour and armed to the teeth, but I expect him to have like a dagger on him and some magical protection.
Who says he didn't? Just because he was dressed as a gardener and took a dagger to the chest doesn't mean he didn't have on magical protection. It just wasn't enough to deal with a well-aimed dagger thrown by a skilled assassin.
And it wouldn't have mattered if he was armed or not -- he was in the center of his kingdom, and had no reason to fear this strange elf that wandered into the garden. Zaor was trying to say "Hi!" to Fenian Ni'Tessine -- he didn't know Fenny wasn't feeling particularly social right then.
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Didn't Zaor die pre-Retreat? Also, remember how old he was. Old minds make mistakes...
According to Elfshadow, he died on 2 Ches, 1321 (The Year of Chains). The Retreat began in 1344, The Year of Moonfall. |
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Shadowlord
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 08:40:23
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It just wasn't enough to deal with a well-aimed dagger thrown by a skilled assassin.
Was Zaor killed by a knife? I swear, I thought Fenian Ni'Tessine shot him with an arrow, or maybe it Amnestria's lover, Bran Skorlsun, who had the bow...   Ah, I jsut can't remember, which is odd for me. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 08:54:46
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It just wasn't enough to deal with a well-aimed dagger thrown by a skilled assassin.
Was Zaor killed by a knife? I swear, I thought Fenian Ni'Tessine shot him with an arrow, or maybe it Amnestria's lover, Bran Skorlsun, who had the bow... Ah, I jsut can't remember, which is odd for me.
Elfshadow spoiler!(sorta -- this covers like the first 10 pages)
Fenian slipped thru the elfgate, not knowing where it lead. He found himself in Evermeet, and followed after Amnestria and Bran Skorlsun. The trail lead to a garden. Near the center of the garden, Fenian saw an elderly gardener trimming bushes. The garden began to greet him, but Fenny was feeling anti-social, so he tossed a dagger into his chest. When the gardener hit the ground, his cap came off, and Fenny saw the hair color and realized he'd just killed King Zaor Moonflower.
This cheered up the unfriendly elf a whole bunch, but then he heard a scream, looked up, saw Amnestria and Bran standing there. Bran popped an arrow into him, and Fenny ran like Hades out of there. |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 10:31:56
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Oh . . . why did you stop there Wooly?. It's not like things were about to get any better for poor old "Fenny" anyway . . .  . Who ever thought a pesky arrow shaft could be so deadly .
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DDH_101
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 18:41:28
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| Kazandra, you have to remember who Bran Skorlsun is. He's a master Harper and a very powerful ranger. I wouldn't be surprised that his archery skills are so good. There was a battle in Elfshadow where Skorlsun shows up and kills a barbarian with a quarterstaff in like two hits. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 19:18:18
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Kazandra, you have to remember who Bran Skorlsun is. He's a master Harper and a very powerful ranger. I wouldn't be surprised that his archery skills are so good. There was a battle in Elfshadow where Skorlsun shows up and kills a barbarian with a quarterstaff in like two hits.
Yeah, but the initial shot wasn't what killed Fenny. What killed him is when his buddy was trying to remove the arrow, found out that Mr. Unsocialable had been seen, and so decided to destroy the evidence -- by stabbing Fenny in the heart with the arrow, then repositioning it. |
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Who survived the Fall of Myth Drannor?
