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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 22 Apr 2013 : 08:01:32
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When Gruumsh killed Re, Re transferred his powers to his son, Horus, and Horus-Re was born. In the laughably impossible scenario of Corellon killing Gruumsh, I'd imagine Gruumsh would transfer his power to Obould, rather than allow the horrible abomination that would be Corelluumsh to be born.
I was actually going to make a silly joke about "Corelluumsh" so I went to Google to search for an image of a Half-Orc Half-Elf... and then I found something awesome. I found a link to this image. Which in turn led me to a homebrewed race called the Voldur.
Now, I kinda want this to happen. 
You know, I imagine it might surprise a few people but I'm actually not against the idea of orc/elf crossbreeds. And that particular one looks very cool, though I still need to read the homebrewed lore on it I think I might end up borrowing it.
I just think Corelluumsh(TM) is a terrible idea. |
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Aldrick
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 22 Apr 2013 : 20:48:17
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Originally posted by Aldrick
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
When Gruumsh killed Re, Re transferred his powers to his son, Horus, and Horus-Re was born. In the laughably impossible scenario of Corellon killing Gruumsh, I'd imagine Gruumsh would transfer his power to Obould, rather than allow the horrible abomination that would be Corelluumsh to be born.
I was actually going to make a silly joke about "Corelluumsh" so I went to Google to search for an image of a Half-Orc Half-Elf... and then I found something awesome. I found a link to this image. Which in turn led me to a homebrewed race called the Voldur.
Now, I kinda want this to happen.
You know, I imagine it might surprise a few people but I'm actually not against the idea of orc/elf crossbreeds. And that particular one looks very cool, though I still need to read the homebrewed lore on it I think I might end up borrowing it.
I just think Corelluumsh(TM) is a terrible idea.
Of course Corelluumsh is a terrible idea. It would basically devastate both the Elven and the Orcish pantheon - throwing both into utter chaos.
If that's someone's goal though, then I say go for it. Although, I'd call him something cooler...
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Korumsh
The Lord of Bastards, the Cursed God, the Reviled Abomination, the Twisted One, the Lord of Nothing, the Fallen King, the One Upon Whom All Spit
Demigod
Symbol: The Orcish Rune for Outcast
Home Plane: The Vale of the Fallen King (demiplane)
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral (You can use either Chaotic Neutral or Neutral when picking Korumsh as your patron deity.)
Portfolios: Battle Songs, Conflict, Equality Among Races, Outcasts, Revolution, Spears, Survival, the Voldur
Worshipers: The Voldur, Outcasts, the Downtrodden, Idealistic Revolutionaries, those who strive for equality among the races, utopian dreamers, gypsies
Cleric Alignments: (Chaotic Neutral) N, CN, CG, CE / (Neutral) LN, N, CN, NG, NE
Favored Weapon: Spear
Riding astride a great song dragon steed known as Fahdondodrem (Pronounced: FAW-don-do-DREM; Meaning: Friend of Peace), the Fallen King surveys the lands and conflicts below, granting aid to the downtrodden and outcasts. A moody deity prone to melancholy he is most inspired by great acts of heroism and idealistic revolutionaries. Even though his heart is frequently moved by the plight of the downtrodden and outcasts, he is more quickly moved to rage against those who cause harm to such people - especially if it is unjustified. As a result, many gypsies and outcasts wear his symbol openly to ward off those who would do them harm. A common curse hurled at those of greater social station: "May the One Upon Whom All Spit Curse Your Soul!"
Korumsh is known to favor tournaments that test the skill of his faithful, particularly when accompanied by song. The faithful of the Fallen King often collect and memorize battle songs, which they sing as they enter into battle. They favor battle songs from all races, but particularly songs from Orcs and Elves.
The Twisted One is the patron father of the Voldur who are said to resemble his image. The Voldur, born of the union of Elf and Orc, are outcasts among their own people. Many of Korumsh's clergy are Voldur, but the deity does not turn his back on anyone who seeks to give him praise. Of all the gods, Korumsh is perhaps the most welcoming of all people regardless of race and social station.
The Cult of the True King is the largest and most well known of the deities cults. Believed to be located somewhere near the Druarwood in the Lands Against the Wall - to the North of Silverymoon - they do constant battle with orcs, giants, and goblinkin. They have an uneasy relationship with Silverymoon and the League of the Silver Marches, even as they seek to become the seventh signatory.
The clerics of Korumsh pray for spells at dawn. They have numerous holy days which vary from cult to cult, often commemorating important local achievements. The most important, however, takes place during the Feast of the Moon, in which they honor the dead who did not live to see the foretold coming age. During the feast each individual renews any vows and pledges made to Korumsh as well as making new ones that he hopes to accomplish in the following year. Finally, each cult is expected to hold a festival known as the Song and Dance of the Spears in Korumsh's honor; a tournament that involves singing, drinking, and non-lethal combat with spears.
History/Relationships: Korumsh arose from the merging of Corellon and Gruumsh, during a war that took place in Arvandor. The Blood Moon Witch, Luthic - the wife of Gruumsh - cursed them both as Corellon drove his blade into Gruumsh; forcing the elven deity to absorb the essence of the orc deity. This destroyed them both and a new deity, Korumsh was born from their divine fragments. The curse was so powerful that it cursed all on the battle field - orc and elf alike - twisting them into the first Voldur, and leading to them being cast out by their own people.
Korumsh has numerous deities who are sympathetic toward him and his cause namely Brandobaris, Chauntea, Finder Wyvernspur, Hoar, Ilmater, Lathander, Lliira, Lurue, Mielikki, Selune, and Shaundakul.
However, his closest allies are Fenmarel Mestarine, Beshaba, and Shiallia. Fenmarel finds him to be a kindred spirit as an outcast from the Elven pantheon. Beshaba has romantic feelings toward him, and though Korumsh has feelings for Beshaba his heart seems to be moved toward Shiallia. He seeks to turn Beshaba away from her path of vengeance and resentment, and to instead direct her power toward the deserving. He seeks to protect Shiallia from any who would cause her harm, and is greatly moved by her innocence and love of life.
As for enemies; Korumsh has many. Though most choose to ignore such a fledgling deity, he has attracted the ire of Siamorphe, Bane, Talos, Cyric, Malar, the entire Orc Pantheon, the Drow Pantheon (as many who once worshiped Eilistraee have turned to him), and many within the Elven Pantheon as well.
Dogma: Keep your eyes always toward the horizon, and do not weep for what has been lost. A cunning mind always sees a path to victory. Preach among yourselves, and to all who will listen of a coming age where all shall live united as a single people under my symbol. Cast aside the old divisions, and carve out lands for a new kingdom. Nurture and defend the land against those who would either claim it for themselves or defile it. The land has no owner, for it belongs to all, and it's bounty must be made available to feed those who are hungry. Speak the truth among yourselves; that a time will come when the Lord of Nothing shall become the Lord of Everything, when the Fallen King shall be the Only King, and the One Upon Whom All Spit shall be the One Who All Praise. Know this well; those that have been made low shall be made high in my domain, and those that have been made high shall be made low; for all mortals are equal in my eyes regardless of their race or station at birth. Weep not for those who are lost in the struggle, for they have given themselves to a cause greater than themselves.
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I can't believe I just wrote all that up. 
Now, I actually have to use it... I guess I'll just change the background a bit. Instead of Korumsh being born from a merger between Corellon and Gruumsh...
New backstory: Luthic falls for a Chosen of Corellon; Coronal Ynloeth of Shantel Othreier. Attracted by his beauty, grace in battle, and his melodious voice she conspired to make him hers. Creating an avatar and transforming herself into a Nymph, she seduced Ynloeth. After copulating with him for six days, Gruumsh discovered what was going on and forced her to reveal her true identity to her elven lover. Enraged at her lover seeing her true form, she devoured him (literally - she ate him alive). After being beaten by Gruumsh for her betrayal, she discovered that she was pregnant. Fleeing deep into what would become known as the High Forest, she labored for seven days until she became sick and began to regurgitate the Coronal. There in the midst of the half-digested remains was the infant Korumsh. She left the infant along side a small pond in the forest, where it was eventually discovered and raised by Lurue.
Now add in some things about him being a Hercules like figure, becoming a king, losing it all, blah blah blah... ultimately ascending to divinity. Then we have a newly fledged deity for the Realms.
That's a bit messed up. Luthic apparently had a Zeus moment. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Apr 2013 : 00:17:06
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| Corellon and Gruumsh are two deities that should be kept SEPARATE. For one thing, the elves and orcs are hated enemies, Corellon and Gruumsh represent different ideologies, and it would really mess with the lore. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 23 Apr 2013 : 00:26:35
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On the other hand, I consider all goblinoids (including Orcs) as a long-lost offshoot fey race, ergo its not as far-fetched as it may first seem.
My take is similar to the one in the Saga of Pleiocene Exile series, if anyone has read that... minus the 'alieness'. Personally, I would have connected it to Faerzress radiation... but they went a totally different route with that. 
Its really not all that different then the Tolkienesque version - the Orcs are corrupted forms of elves. If Corellon only has love in is heart for his 'pretty' children, then that makes him a very shallow god indeed.
And according to that 4e article, Corellon and Grumsh are theoretically brothers, so it all makes sense. At least to me. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Aldrick
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Apr 2013 : 02:17:28
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Corellon and Gruumsh are two deities that should be kept SEPARATE. For one thing, the elves and orcs are hated enemies, Corellon and Gruumsh represent different ideologies, and it would really mess with the lore.
Sure, it'd throw a wrench in the status quo. However, it wouldn't necessarily "break" anything about the setting. It'd be a significant change, one with far reaching repercussions that are virtually impossible to map out... however, I don't see anything lore-wise that would say it COULD NOT happen.
I'm not advocating for it to happen, but I think a curse on both Corellon and Gruumsh by Luthic is a possible "explanation" for how such a thing could be a "valid" outcome. I could see Ao standing behind such a move as that seems to be in line how he's treated other such activities by the gods.
More interesting than the resulting deity, I think, would be the outcome for Orcish and Elven Pantheons as well as the respective races.
Besides, Orc's aren't all that different from humans in FR. They're not supernaturally evil. So the Elven racial hatred of Orcs is just racism. At least the Orcs can use the excuse that they don't know any better, but the Elves are supposed to be good aligned.
Humans from an Elven perspective aren't really all that different from Orcs in many cases, and yet the EV is supposed to be evil... I guess it's just another fantasy example of ugly = evil and pretty = good. 
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On the other hand, I consider all goblinoids (including Orcs) as a long-lost offshoot fey race, ergo its not as far-fetched as it may first seem.
My take is similar to the one in the Saga of Pleiocene Exile series, if anyone has read that... minus the 'alieness'. Personally, I would have connected it to Faerzress radiation... but they went a totally different route with that.
Its really not all that different then the Tolkienesque version - the Orcs are corrupted forms of elves. If Corellon only has love in is heart for his 'pretty' children, then that makes him a very shallow god indeed.
And according to that 4e article, Corellon and Grumsh are theoretically brothers, so it all makes sense. At least to me.
I treat my Orcs and Elves similarly. They all have their roots in the Feywild. The Elves were originally Eladrin who moved to various prime worlds. When the Eladrin settle a new location they quickly adapt to that location - hence how we get all these crazy sub-races for Elves. This is also why Elves have such a close connection to the Weave, and their High Magic is just a mix of ancient traditional Eladrin fey magic and the Weave. The Eladrin went on to populate a planet that they named Faerie, and many Elves from Faerie migrated to the Realms. Arvandor used to be part of the Feywild, and most of the Elven Pantheon used to be powerful Archfey before ascending to divinity.
The Orcs and Goblinkin also have Unseelie Fey origins, making them somewhat distant cousins to the Elves. Many of the other races also have planar origins; for example Dwarves could trace their roots back to a proto-dwarf race on the Plane of Earth.
Humans either come from other Prime Worlds or naturally evolve. They aren't "created" like many other races. (The Proto-Dwarves, for example, were carved from Living Stone by Moradin. The first Eladrin were born from the trees and plants of Corellon's forest grove. Etc.) |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Apr 2013 : 18:56:31
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CorellonsDevout
Corellon and Gruumsh are two deities that should be kept SEPARATE. For one thing, the elves and orcs are hated enemies, Corellon and Gruumsh represent different ideologies, and it would really mess with the lore.
For once I agree wholeheartedly with you, CD, even if our reasons differ. I would rather kill a thousand gods than allow any pointy-eared elven filth to pollute my orcish pantheon. But hey, that's just me. |
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Edited by - Ayrik on 23 Apr 2013 18:57:31 |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Apr 2013 : 19:02:49
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Apr 2013 : 04:16:58
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CorellonsDevout
Corellon and Gruumsh are two deities that should be kept SEPARATE. For one thing, the elves and orcs are hated enemies, Corellon and Gruumsh represent different ideologies, and it would really mess with the lore.
For once I agree wholeheartedly with you, CD, even if our reasons differ. I would rather kill a thousand gods than allow any pointy-eared elven filth to pollute my orcish pantheon. But hey, that's just me.
Just as I would hate to have ,smelly orcs polluting my elven pantheon but at least we agree that it would be a terrible mix. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 24 Apr 2013 : 16:30:29
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From Chaos comes beauty... and brutality. The fey embrace various aspects of chaos, be it their feral natures or their ability to create unparallelled works of art.
The Goblinoids have merely channeled the chaos inward; the elves, outward. Other fey have gone in other directions.
Gruumsh and Corellon each have their own version of past events, but I fear the true history is somewhere in the middle... it always is. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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