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Ralderick Hallowshaw
Acolyte
Italy
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 Posted - 06 Mar 2013 : 21:14:44
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Well met fellow scribes, a brief question for you: in Faiths & Avatars (AD&D), on Ilmater's entry, we can read the following:
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ALLIES: Tyr, Torm, Ibrandul (now dead), Lathander
The same in Ibrandul's entry.
I made a research in both my AD&D and 3rd-edition material, but I couldn't find any description or further detail concerning this unusual alliance.
Has it ever been described anywhere?
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Mar 2013 : 22:07:21
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Well from 2nd it appears to read this way.
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PORTFOLIO: Caverns, dungeons, the Underdark, skulks
ALIASES: None
DOMAIN NAME: Formerly Phlegethon/Ibrandyllaran; currently adrift in the Astral Plane
SUPERIOR: None
ALLIES: Mask, Ilmater
FOES: Shar, Lathander, Lolth
SYMBOL: Four interlocking silver circles on a dark purple background
WOR. ALIGN.: CG, N, CN, NE, CE
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Mar 2013 : 22:16:24
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Opps wrong deity.
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PORTFOLIO: Endurance, suffering, martyrdom, perseverence
ALIASES: Ayuruk (among the peoples of the Great Glacier)
DOMAIN NAME: Shurrock/Martyrdomain
SUPERIOR: Tyr
ALLIES: Tyr, Torm, Ibrandul (now dead), Lathander
FOES: Loviatar, Malar, Talos, Bane (now dead), Bhaal (now dead), Myrkul (now dead)
SYMBOL: A pair of white human hands bound at the wrists with blood-red cord or (older) a blood-stained rack
WOR. ALIGN.: Any
Can not find quickly why they got along, there again could be allied becuae shared dislike of others more. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Ralderick Hallowshaw
Acolyte
Italy
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Posted - 06 Mar 2013 : 23:32:42
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Originally posted by Kentinal
there again could be allied becuae shared dislike of others more.
Yes, it could be a simpler explanation, but they don't share any common (cited) foe. In addition, Lathander is an ally of Ilmater and a foe of Ibrandul... |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Mar 2013 : 00:11:30
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Ilmater is a heavily worshiped god in Calimshan...where Ibrandul had many of his own worshipers as well.
As for Lathander being his foe, Ibrandul and Lathander may simply be opposed on things...but not truly enemies that want each other's blood. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 07 Mar 2013 : 19:33:10
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Two of this guy's enemies were Shar and Lolth? 
Talk about someone who needs to learn to pick their battles! He was doomed from the start. 
Throw in the fact his 3rd enemy is one of the most popular goodly/surface deities and he bit off WAAAAY more then he could chew. Ilamtar is the god of the pathetic - he must have seen Ibrandul's foe-list and felt sorry for him. |
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Derulbaskul
Senior Scribe
Singapore
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Posted - 09 Mar 2013 : 14:26:57
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| Ibrandul set free the skulks from slavery and Ilmater is fundamentally opposed to slavery. Perhaps that is why they are allied? |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 May 2013 : 16:58:26
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| I don't think they're allied due to the Calimshan connection. Ibrandul-worshipers in Calimshan are little better than raiders. I'd suggest pursuing the slavery angle & the mutual enemies. However, Ibrandul also offered sanctuary and defensive services to adventurers in the Underdark and his priests sacrificed a portion of their wealth every so often as well. Ilmater after all offered similar succor to those in evil strongholds, but you rarely read about their Underdark presence. Perhaps the alliance existed solely because Ibrandul's clergy performed similar actions that Ilmateri ones would have if their numbers in the Underdark were more significant. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jun 2013 : 14:48:56
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| Also, I recently re-read a lot of lore on Calimshan and apparently (with the notable exception of the Janessar), the Church of Ilmater avoids preaching about slavery in Calimshan. It's the major difference between calishite churches and tethyrian ones. Presumably, they don't want to ruffle too many feathers. |
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