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Dalor Darden
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 Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 19:55:08
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| I really don't like that map...it "smooshes" Thar...and Thar is the home I love... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 20:14:19
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You are going to love my new map.
I wish I wasn't such a perfectionist - I should have started placing locales a month ago. 
My problem ATM is that I want Cormyr PERFECT, and I have over-layed ALL the Cormyr maps on top of each other, and they don't always agree with each other (and that's not even including the 3e/4e 9.2° the maps were rotated). 'The Neck' has changed considerably since 1e. The funny thing is, only a small portion of Cormyr shows on the map I am doing first (Western Heartlands), but I have to complete ALL of Cormyr so the map pieces later line-up correctly. I got a lot done yesterday, hopefully I can finsh the geography today and move on.
Thar will look much more like its older 1e/2e version when I am done, as will everything else. I am trying to complete all of these before a canon 5e map is released, so that the artist doing those has a perfect reference to work from (because I have literally combined every single FR map ever made in layers to get it all perfect). Thar lives!  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 20:38:15
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| I've not typed this in many years: WOOT! |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 21:32:55
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Granite Tower also mentioned in the RotA trilogy
IINM Vala and Galadorn moved back into the Granite Tower after RotA trilogy, so that woulda been the last inhabitants pre-spellplague, so could make sense
I have the Granite tower near the "Peaks of the Dragonmen" (wherever that is) so I just assumed (maybe wrongly) that they were closer to the Western Galenas as IIRC the white-scaled dragonmen flew out from the peaks to attack the Vaasans and also it mentioned continuous fog and another mentioned placed was Mountainshadow Bog ... so it always seems to match up
here is what I have (sorry for the jumbled numbers and letters, just copy/pasting from an outline):
20. Mountainshadow Bog (RoS p100)
a. Crossed by human clans only during dense foggy conditions so Dragonmen can’t see to attack (RoS p100)
b. Located in the shadows of the Peaks of the Dragonmen [Western Galenas?]
(RoS p100,110)
21. Peaks of the Dragonmen (RoS p110)
22. Granite Tower (Summ p19,117,123) (Sorc p339)
a. 20 noble families of the Moor Eagle clan live here (Summ p19,73,84-85)
b. Made of dark black granite (Summ p73)
k. Twenty noble Moor Eagle families live in the Granite Tower (Summ p19,73,84-85) - built by Melegaunt Tanthul (RoS96-121) (Summ p116-117)
i. Held together by the Oath of Bodvar (Summ p73, 116-117) - in return for service at a later time [when Shade reyurns], Melegaunt built the Moor Eagle clan an impregnable keep of black granite and armed 20 warriors with 20 darkswords (Summ p116-117) (Sorc p107-108,156)
l. Galaeradon and Takari [elves] [Moor Eagles by marriage living in the Granite Tower] (Sorc p339) (Summ) (Siege) (Sorc)
38. Whitescales [dragonmen] (RoS p100,105,108-110,119)
a. Live in the Peaks of the Dragonmen (RoS p110)
b. Called “whitescales” by Vaasans, their race is dragonmen (RoS p119)
c. Scaly white bodied, wings, long pointed tails, craggy saurian heads, long snouts, swept-back horns, huge yellow eyes (RoS p105,108)
d. Use curved swords, some cast spells, dive with sun at their backs toward enemies for surprise (RoS p105,108-109)
e. Same as "Dragonkin" found in Monsters of Faerun or Draconomicon?
f. Also called saurians (Sorc p288)
e. Her darksword can contact Granite Tower by Dreamwalking (Summ p123) (Siege p61) |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 21:45:18
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also on that map of Vaasa, Fugue is too far away from Vaasan Gate
it was named "Fugue" by Damaran adventurers because you were in the area between Heaven and Hell - as in, once you left Damara (heaven) via the Vaasan Gate and went thru Fugue to Vaasa (hell)
canon says the tent town is "in the shadow of the Vaasan gate" |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 21:48:41
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| Markus, when you get to the locales of Bloodstone on you Map to Rule Them All, i'll pitch in with all the places i have on my outline!! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 21:56:48
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I've gotten Vaasa much closer to the original as well (with a minor tweak to bring-in the pre-FR Bloodstone maps).
Homebrew:
I figure that when 'The Collector' arrived (from the east, if he is based on who I think he is), he decided he wanted the Granite tower for his own*, and offered the inhabitants the old WK fortress instead, which was actually somewhat outside of the WK sphere of influence, which they preferred. Before becoming the Warlock Knights post-plague, they were merely Eldritch Knights, and were more like a 'Helfire Club' secretive group. That just about fixes everything.
*He is NOT a 'people person', and enjoys the remote location. The Collector's Fortress is an ideal spot for the old Granite Tower, because of the Darksword story. the collector also happens to be the type who believes in frugality of resources; there is no need to kill someone when they may prove useful in the future (especially if they owe you a favor - I am sure he would have convinced them the 'deal' was for their sake). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 23:46:36
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There are some locales and geographic terrain in the 4E Dragon Magazine map you just posted that, according to the FR designers, have always been there. There's a few that are purely 4E. I'm sure you two, of course, have a post- and pre-Spellplague Map Notes.
Maybe marking areas on the map with a small red asterisk will be useful in identifying something post-Spellplague? |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 00:50:04
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In Vaasa
Citadel of the Collector
Modurt
Lake Throm
Moloth Caldera
Telos City
Cinnabar Wastes
Clefts of Razack
Maur Eturo
Etuabe
Avang
Haatar Baen
Are all post 3e canon ... mayhap some were there all along but they are not sourced
There are also several new spots in the Great Glacier
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 00:51:41
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| When i get the chance i'll post the older FR edition locales in Vaasa that are missing on the 4e map |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 05:34:50
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Like THIS? That map is still missing a few (mostly near the Moonsea).
EDIT: Dang! Just realized most of Vassa is missing on that - damn FRIA has a bad map-break at that point. Also a bunch of forests missing from the original between Bloodstone Pass and Valls, which ONLY appear in the first few BS (pre-FR) products. LOL... BS = "Bloodstone"... not the other thing. 
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Originally posted by Razz
There are some locales and geographic terrain in the 4E Dragon Magazine map you just posted that, according to the FR designers, have always been there. There's a few that are purely 4E. I'm sure you two, of course, have a post- and pre-Spellplague Map Notes.
Maybe marking areas on the map with a small red asterisk will be useful in identifying something post-Spellplague?
My maps are circa 1372 DR, which means they would include 4e locales that would have been there prior to the Spellplague (there are a number of those, all throughout Faerûn).
There will be at least three versioins of the map - 'naked', settlements and geographic features only, and a 'DMs map' with 'places of interest' (adventure sites).
I am also considering a fourth and possibly a fifth version. One for homebrew locales (which would include many I've gotten from other people over the years, and even a number I've gotten from here at CK). However, as Garen Thal put it, "thats dangerous", so I will have to consider that CAREFULLY. Then maybe an Underdark/Undersea variant (because the map gets VERY busy when I include all the subterranean/subsea locales). I'm still undecided - I may just do the first two in my standard format, and then have the rest in one layered pdf (which is a way of possibly alleviating the confusion with homebrew locations). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 18:49:09
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ok missing in Vaasa from the DEMONLANDS 4e link from a few posts up:
LOCALE - TYPE - SOURCE(S)
Icerun Glacier - Glacier - FRCS p110 (i see an Ice Run road on that map so close by mayhap)
Castle D'Aerthe - Keep -(PotWK p115-119,157-164,181)(RotP p43,140) "within sight of Palischuk" "few miles north of Palischuk"
Hot Springs - Spring - FR9 map
Skelem - ruins - (MotM p117-121) "20 miles south of Bloodstone Pass in the Galena foothills"
Cult of the Dragon enclave - hideout - (Ruin p285-286) "Located northeast of The Ride"
Mountainshadow Bog - bog - (RoS p100,110) "Located in the shadows of the Peaks of the Dragonmen"
Peaks of the Dragonmen - mountains - (RoS p110)
and of course the correct placement of the Granite Tower as mentioned above
Deadman Pass - mountain pass -(RoS p94) [connects Vaasa to The Ride]
(for Underdark Map) Unnamed subsurface tunnel - tunnel - (PGFR p120-125) [connect Thar to Vaasa/Damara]
and lastly there is a Pass that connects Skelem to Darmshall (MotM map)
will post later what is missing in the eastern Galenas/western Damara/Great Glacier
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 18:53:16
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| add Kond to the list above of post 3e Vaasa canon |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Oct 2012 : 21:00:46
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| The white scales dragonmen is easy; half-white dragon and half-dragon kin. Though if they did not use a breath weapon then I say give them those dragon touched feats and choose white dragon or maybe just the draconic template. It's possible they can also be White Dragonspawn of Tiamat, which breed I can't recall. Sounds like it could be a new breed entirely |
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coach
Senior Scribe
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479 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2012 : 02:41:20
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| Tiamat would be an option because she has a canon temple in Vaasa... i'll have to get that book out to see if they jad a breath weapon |
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