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Alystra Illianniis
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 Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 04:54:37
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| True enough, but if it's simply for pleasure, why would any female want to turn to her own kin when there are plenty of non-relative males available- particularly when those are more easily expendable? I seriously doubt most Matrons would look lightly on their daughters mating with and killing their brothers, as some have suggested. It's wasteful. Not to mention the aforementioned ridicule of their peers for resorting to taking their pleasure with their own siblings instead of any of a thousand expendable house soldiers or other males. It's just not practical in any sense, regardless of the reason they might do it. Why risk the displeasure of one's Matron and goddess? There's no BENEFIT to incest for a drow- aside from a very personal alliance that may or may not turn on them later. And they can get that in other ways that are less embarrassing if discovered. There is a limit to what a drow will do even for pleasure, and the power gained would be almost negligible, as it's within the family, which they already have power over anyway! |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:17:19
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
True enough, but if it's simply for pleasure, why would any female want to turn to her own kin when there are plenty of non-relative males available- particularly when those are more easily expendable?
Once they're overrun by lust, they'd undoubtedly grab anyone of their kind (even if it's their relative) who's available at the moment. Such is the nature of evil races. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:17:47
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I'm going to point out that there is a distinction between mating and sex. I'm sure the possibility has been posed here as I know it has been posed elsewhere that in any sexually active society possessing functional magic, spells relating to contraceptives are probably going to be developed pretty early on.
More over I'd like to repeat the cardinal rule of drow society, which is "anything you want so long as you don't get caught". If there is a social stigma about only be able to get a male from your family, it could be covered up by secrecy. And I doubt many drow women limit themselves to a single partner at any given time.
On another note, I read over on TV Tropes that it was confirmed that Liriel lost her virginity(by request) to Jarlaxle, her uncle. Anyone here know a source for that? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:21:15
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Why risk the displeasure of one's Matron and goddess? There's no BENEFIT to incest for a drow- aside from a very personal alliance that may or may not turn on them later.
That is, assuming the Matron will be displeased. AFAIK, that was never established in the Realms. While the Matrons don't encourage it, they never discourage it, either. Who knows, even they practice it. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:30:14
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Nope. I've never heard or read that anywhere. She was, however, no longer a virgin by the time of the short story with her in Realms of the Underdark. She was only about twenty-five in that story, too! (Or approximately 15, in human terms, according to the story.) But it never mentioned who her first was, nor did any of the Starlight and Shadows books. I don't know where that would have come from.
I realize that drow will often TRY to get away with anything they can, but one has to remember that they generally only do so if it benefits them in some way, I really don't see them being so overwhelmed by lust that they would simply throw good sense to the wind on any regular basis. I'm not saying that incest does NOT happen, but I think it would be very VERY rare, simply because there are far better ways to get what they want. Hells, they have massage parlors, brothels, and Ed's ubiquitous "festhalls" out the wazoo- why would they ever need or WANT to have sex with their own kin?! There's really no POINT in it, when one could just take a walk down to the nearest brothel and have ANYTHING they want from a slave or specially skilled "escort" whom they don't ever even have to look at again if they don't want to. For that matter, hiring a whore or just ordering a male slave to do what they want would be less likely to raise eyebrows, and is probably safer, given the fact that said individual would be less likely to try to stick a dagger in their back. The same goes for male drow- they can just find a female servant, and do what they want with her, and not worry about the consequences. Why bother with kin when there are so many other (and likely more appealing) options available at a moment's notice?! |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:31:16
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| Well, Malice did. But what Malice does may or may not reflect the attitudes of other matrons. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:33:16
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| Oh, in regards to Lireil, the troper noted it was confirmed via Word of God; i.e. the author said it out of the context of the story. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:36:50
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Well, Malice did. But what Malice does may or may not reflect the attitudes of other matrons.
Oh, well, it doesn't have to take all the matrons practicing it. That one already did might speak of the notion that it is indeed a welcome practice. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:43:27
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| Sorry, I wasn't clear; Malice discouraged it. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:49:25
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Nope. I've never heard or read that anywhere. She was, however, no longer a virgin by the time of the short story with her in Realms of the Underdark. She was only about twenty-five in that story, too! (Or approximately 15, in human terms, according to the story.) But it never mentioned who her first was, nor did any of the Starlight and Shadows books. I don't know where that would have come from.
I realize that drow will often TRY to get away with anything they can, but one has to remember that they generally only do so if it benefits them in some way, I really don't see them being so overwhelmed by lust that they would simply throw good sense to the wind on any regular basis. I'm not saying that incest does NOT happen, but I think it would be very VERY rare, simply because there are far better ways to get what they want. Hells, they have massage parlors, brothels, and Ed's ubiquitous "festhalls" out the wazoo- why would they ever need or WANT to have sex with their own kin?! There's really no POINT in it, when one could just take a walk down to the nearest brothel and have ANYTHING they want from a slave or specially skilled "escort" whom they don't ever even have to look at again if they don't want to. For that matter, hiring a whore or just ordering a male slave to do what they want would be less likely to raise eyebrows, and is probably safer, given the fact that said individual would be less likely to try to stick a dagger in their back. The same goes for male drow- they can just find a female servant, and do what they want with her, and not worry about the consequences. Why bother with kin when there are so many other (and likely more appealing) options available at a moment's notice?!
There's no point? Since when did having sex (among evil races) have a point---other than to indulge in pleasure?
They might have found their sibling or cousin more attractive and more accessible at that certain lust-driven moment. I recall in that incestuous scene in Archwizard, the two siblings (for some reason their names elude me) were stuck in the woods with no other person around; and so when lust struck them, they simply followed their 'instinct.' And if I may add, their evil disposition was like drow's, as they're willing to kill each other and their parents to get what they wanted. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:54:18
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Sorry, I wasn't clear; Malice discouraged it.
Regardless, other matrons neither decried nor encouraged it. And given their evil-mindedness, the possibility that 'tis a welcome, albeit perhaps rare, practice is still as immense as an ocean. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 06:01:19
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Malice NEVER did, AFAIK. Her lovers seem to have been limited to Rizzen, Zaknafein, an a few other unnamed males- NOWHERE has she been mentioned as practicing incest. And given her reaction to even the THOUGHT of Vierna doing so, I'd say it would be very much looked down on, if her reaction is at all typical, which I suspect it is. Guys, I've read every one of the Drizzt, Liriel, and WotSQ books, and it was only mentioned ONCE as even a possibility- between Phaeraun and Sabal, and he disabused his other sister of that notion, when he said that he had NOT! In fact, both he AND Greyanna seemed to find the notion disgusting (though she was not ENTIRELY adverse to the idea, if only to gain his support) as did Malice herself. So WHERE is anyone even getting the idea that this considered is welcome or "normal"? Evil does NOT = sexually depraved, even among drow, it would seem. Even Triel and Halisstra, who were both tacitly acknowledged as lesbian, never went there.
So far we have: 1- No real evidence in favor, beyond some vague speculation regarding one scene with Vierna, and a false assumption by Greyanna, which was debunked even in the story.
2- No real motive for doing so or benefit from it (pleasure aside, which really is not much reason).
3- AND the very REAL likelihood of earning the wrath of family AND Lolth if caught!
Quite frankly, other than a VERY FEW deviants, I just don't see it happening. There's no case for it. It does not make sense in the context of the stories(lore) we have. Rare occurrence? Maybe, just as it occasionally happens with humans IRL. Socially acceptable or practiced in general? HIGHLY doubtful. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 06:26:56
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This could mean something...
Ed created the Realms; and the drow are part of the Realms; and he, too, created Falconfar, the world where that incestuous scene in Archwizard occurred, and where engaging in incest was not a deviant behavior. What's present in one's work may as well be present in his other works. I'm not saying that incest is a welcome practice in all the realms in Toril. But in drow society? A twisted, evil, immoral society...The possibility is HUGE. |
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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 06:49:50
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Originally posted by Dennis
Ah, that's because you seem to attach 'mating' to affection. I'm not saying that should not be. It's just that evil races, such as the drow, or outside FR, the Dasati and the Valheru, USUALLY view and treat mating as something for sheer pleasure or gaining political power.
Well, copulation has more than one function to it in nature too. I've observed mice of the same sex mounting each other for social dominance. Unless mice actually are hyper-intelligent, pan-dimensional beings, I think we can safely guess that they are not doing it for political power.
It isn't completely about reproduction and the gene pool for hominids and it wasn't always about love or affection either. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 06:58:02
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Malice NEVER did, AFAIK. Her lovers seem to have been limited to Rizzen, Zaknafein, an a few other unnamed males- NOWHERE has she been mentioned as practicing incest. And given her reaction to even the THOUGHT of Vierna doing so, I'd say it would be very much looked down on, if her reaction is at all typical, which I suspect it is. Guys, I've read every one of the Drizzt, Liriel, and WotSQ books, and it was only mentioned ONCE as even a possibility- between Phaeraun and Sabal, and he disabused his other sister of that notion, when he said that he had NOT! In fact, both he AND Greyanna seemed to find the notion disgusting (though she was not ENTIRELY adverse to the idea, if only to gain his support) as did Malice herself. So WHERE is anyone even getting the idea that this considered is welcome or "normal"? Evil does NOT = sexually depraved, even among drow, it would seem. Even Triel and Halisstra, who were both tacitly acknowledged as lesbian, never went there.
So far we have: 1- No real evidence in favor, beyond some vague speculation regarding one scene with Vierna, and a false assumption by Greyanna, which was debunked even in the story.
2- No real motive for doing so or benefit from it (pleasure aside, which really is not much reason).
3- AND the very REAL likelihood of earning the wrath of family AND Lolth if caught!
Quite frankly, other than a VERY FEW deviants, I just don't see it happening. There's no case for it. It does not make sense in the context of the stories(lore) we have. Rare occurrence? Maybe, just as it occasionally happens with humans IRL. Socially acceptable or practiced in general? HIGHLY doubtful.
"a few other unnamed males" being nearly every male in house Do'Urden not explicitly related to her, according to Vierna.
Also, any likelihood of wrath from anyone is purely speculative as well. Just saying.
Edit: Oh, and I personally feel you're understating just how much of a reason for doing...well, anything, really, pleasure can be. Well documented studies have mice placed in cages with two buttons. One gives them food, one stimulates the pleasure center of their brain. The mice starved to death.
Granted, drow aren't mice. But pleasure is one of the strongest motivators there is, especially in a society primarily populated by sociopaths. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 06:59:26
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Originally posted by Lady Fellshot
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Originally posted by Dennis
Ah, that's because you seem to attach 'mating' to affection. I'm not saying that should not be. It's just that evil races, such as the drow, or outside FR, the Dasati and the Valheru, USUALLY view and treat mating as something for sheer pleasure or gaining political power.
Well, copulation has more than one function to it in nature too. I've observed mice of the same sex mounting each other for social dominance. Unless mice actually are hyper-intelligent, pan-dimensional beings, I think we can safely guess that they are not doing it for political power.
Hence my or. (I wouldn't call mice an evil society, though.) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 07:02:23
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Also, any likelihood of wrath from anyone is purely speculative as well. Just saying.
Agreed. I haven't yet seen a matron going berserk upon seeing her children or relatives mating. |
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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 07:04:19
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Are you sure about that? Mice will happily practice cannibalism given half the chance. Then there are the times when the mother mouse has plenty of food, water and treats... but decides that the yummiest thing around are her own pups.
But I think I'm wandering a little far afield of the topic. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 07:12:08
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Originally posted by Lady Fellshot
Are you sure about that? Mice will happily practice cannibalism given half the chance. Then there are the times when the mother mouse has plenty of food, water and treats... but decides that the yummiest thing around are her own pups.
But I think I'm wandering a little far afield of the topic.
'Evil' is a notion by and for intelligent beings. (And I honestly want to discuss further on this...but as you said, we're digressing.) |
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Quale
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 09:34:15
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if the society is chaotic evil that doesn't mean they do every evil thing imaginable, drow society would collapse long ago
it's different in Abyss where new demons are spawned and promoted all the time
valheru are different, similar to the greek gods, the dosadi seemed ridiculous to me |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 09:57:43
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Originally posted by Quale
if the society is chaotic evil that doesn't mean they do every evil thing imaginable, drow society would collapse long ago
it's different in Abyss where new demons are spawned and promoted all the time
valheru are different, similar to the greek gods, the dosadi seemed ridiculous to me
There are Greek gods who belong to good alignment. None of the Valheru did. Love, good, and compassion were all alien to them. They're chaotic evil.
The Dasati only appear ridiculous when we view them against the norms in the RL. Even Pug, upon first seeing Omadrabar, the original Dasati home-world, staggered in trying to comprehend how such a society could exist and grow over thousands of years.
Back to topic: Incest could hardly result to the collapse of drow society. That's too unlikely. As most of us participating in this discussion think, incest is RARE among the drow. But unlike some, I don't think its rareness has anything to do with it being prohibited or frowned upon in their society. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 12:18:47
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Wow. This topic has already gotten to 3 pages since I posted my initial reply.
Anyways, animals perform incest quite regularly. Perhaps some comparisons can be made between 4 legged bitches and the Matriarchs of Drow families regarding this. I dunno. |
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Zireael
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 12:50:46
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Wow, I posted the question yesterday evening. Checked it this morning around 9:00 and already two pages. It's 14:00 here and... three pages!
Back on topic:
@ Chosen of Asmodeus: I'm almost sure it was explicitly stated in Realms of the Underdark or maybe the Rite of Blood that it was Jarlaxle that taught Liriel to throw knives and that he was her first lover.
I had another thought on the matter. We already established that the drow probably don't see it as taboo and that cousins should be OK. Siblings might not be.
But, the drow society traces the descent through the mother. What about half-siblings that share only the father? The mother? Blood relationship (uncle/niece/cousin/whatever) through mother? Father?
If the relationship was informal or formal (Patron of the House/mate)?
I think the view would differ in each of these situations... What do you suppose would be the reaction? Would there be any? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 13:17:37
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Wow. This topic has already gotten to 3 pages since I posted my initial reply.
Anyways, animals perform incest quite regularly. Perhaps some comparisons can be made between 4 legged bitches and the Matriarchs of Drow families regarding this. I dunno.
The Matriarchs are bitches in many ways; so, yes. |
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Therise
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 15:35:16
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Originally posted by Zireael
We already established that the drow probably don't see it as taboo and that cousins should be OK. Siblings might not be.
We have? So far I've just seen opinions, not much real evidence.
Logic and pragmatics suggest to me that it would be taboo and shamed: even if it's not seen as an "evil" thing, it's still taboo. Or they wouldn't have characters gossiping and making malicious suggestions about it.
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But, the drow society traces the descent through the mother. What about half-siblings that share only the father? The mother? Blood relationship (uncle/niece/cousin/whatever) through mother? Father?
If the relationship was informal or formal (Patron of the House/mate)?
I think the view would differ in each of these situations... What do you suppose would be the reaction? Would there be any?
The only thing that really seems to matter in drow society is one-step matrilinear descent. Nobles are the children of the matron mother, and any other relationship makes one a commoner. It's stated in Homeland, for instance, that even a noble daughter's children are commoners until she becomes a matron herself. Males who become a matron's favorite "patron", they take the house name only so long as the matron is satisfied with him.
To me, that suggests the view would be much the same regardless of complex family relationships, and anything one did to bring disgrace to a house would be dealt with harshly. Half-brother and half-sister mean little, as they never refer to one father versus another. As long as you're a noble child (i.e. child of the current matron mother), that's what counts. Everyone else is really just a servant or commoner of the house.
Now, they themselves would know who's father was who, but one father's children aren't more important than another so far as judgments are made. If it's caught, punishment would be bad. If it's not caught, then they could keep doing whatever until they are caught.
I do think the one thing we've seen in multiple novels is that incestual liaisons are viewed with distaste and scorn. Otherwise there wouldn't be behind-the-back gossip and such about it.
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 15:50:52
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This is kind of an obscure topic, and I'm not sure why it's gone on that long, but so it has. I want to make two points:
1) Drow may be a chaotic and hedonistic society, but they still have a strong amount of PRIDE. Even more so than all humanoid civilizations, the drow are driven to distinguish themselves as not only better than animals, but also all other civilizations. Regardless of any moral component, incest is bestial (as the province of animals) and implies a lack of control over one's desires and actions. It opens the perpetrator up to mockery (as noted in several posts above) and suggests he/she is unable to find more suitable sexual partners (i.e. outside his/her own house). There's also the genetic discouragement, as incest in theory creates weak offspring. (This genetic argument is similar to how, through natural selection we have developed aversions to things that can weaken or kill us, such as poisonous spiders, snakes, rotting meat, etc. Those who indulge in those things don't survive as often to perpetuate their genes, while those who avoid them do. And incest is one of those things.)
2) I'm not sure I'm comfortable with one facet of the conversation,: an undercurrent assumption of incest's "evil" nature.
Far be it for me to label incest a "good" thing--I consider it a perversion, a definite cultural taboo which has serious negative implications for one's emotional development as well as the physical/mental development of offspring thereby produced--but I don't think it's necessarily "evil." I mean, in the context of the argument "they're an evil society, so naturally they practice incest." That seems maybe a little unreasonable to me?
Evil justifies a lot of things, but what we're talking about is *perverse*, not necessarily "evil." So it doesn't really make sense to say "they're evil, so they do this thing."
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 15:59:43
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| Incest may not be evil, but it is outside the bounds of morality. The immoral nature of the drow makes them more open to the practice of incest than the good-aligned races. |
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Dennis
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Alisttair
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 16:33:04
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Originally posted by Dennis
Fellow scribes, you might want to hear Ed's view on this subject. He gave me a lightning-quick reply: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14621&whichpage=7
Thanks for getting that Dennis.
I agree with what Ed says, as well as what Erik said earlier. The act of incest is depraved but not necessarily evil. Drow are an evil race that does sick stuff like that, but not necessarily because they are evil, rather, in addition to being evil. Of course, in a home game, this is something that ought not be touched upon unless all are comfortable discussing the subject. Which makes me think, was this subject (incest) spoken of in the 3E Book of Vile Darkness? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 16:38:19
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Dennis
Fellow scribes, you might want to hear Ed's view on this subject. He gave me a lightning-quick reply: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14621&whichpage=7
Thanks for getting that Dennis.
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Of course, in a home game, this is something that ought not be touched upon unless all are comfortable discussing the subject. Which makes me think, was this subject (incest) spoken of in the 3E Book of Vile Darkness?
That sounds unlikely. WotC tries to be as conventional as possible. It doesn't even touch on the subject of homosexuality. How much more on incest, which seems more or as sensitive an issue as homosexuality. |
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Edited by - Dennis on 21 Jan 2011 16:39:09 |
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