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Rabiesbunny
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 Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 06:51:09
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Hey folks, how's it going early this Saturday morning?
Let me pose a quick question to the lot of you. I was browsing through Lords of Darkness when I saw one of the poisons I had somehow missed. It is called "Jhuild", or Thrallwine, and makes a creature very susceptible to intimidate checks. According to the description it is a brew made from "certain grapes, fruits and herbs grown near the Surmarsh" in Thesk.
This made me remember that my character had acquired some Jhuild from an unfortunate Rashemi barbarian. And according to Unapproachable East, Jhuild, or Firewine, is "...certain grapes, fruits and herbs grown near the city of Urling". Now, the primary and secondary effects are the same as LoD Jhuild, but instead of it's side effects of making one susceptible to intimidate checks, and making them cowards, they must save to keep from falling unconscious, and if they stay awake they take a -2 to all checks for 12 hours.
Has Jhuild ever been covered in second edition? It's bothering me a bit that these two separate drinks have the same name, different origins, similar primary effects and different side effects. I'm hoping to find any reason this may have happened, or if it's not a Realmslore reason.
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Kuje
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Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 08:57:06
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The drink from Rashamen is also in the Spellbound box set, if I recall right. The other in LoD, I think, is new because poisons weren't ever really detailed in the older material.
Edit: Did you check Unapproachable East for 3/3.5? There should be a updated version of Firewine from Rashamen in that book. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 08 Mar 2009 09:03:33 |
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The Sage
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 14:37:30
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I don't remember precisely off-hand, but Jhuild should have been mentioned in the Liriel Series (Starlight & Shadows).
IIRC, her barbarian buddy Fyoder was drinking it. |
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HunterOfStorms
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Posted - 09 Mar 2009 : 06:38:49
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Jhuild or Firewine was originally described in the Cyclopedia of the Realms Rashemen entry, from the old grey boxed set. Its a potent and highly intoxicating liquor which may temporarily offer minor benefits in combat until one passes out an hour after imbibing.
Saved us on many an occasion at low level (playing AD&D 1st Edition) 
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Alisttair
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Posted - 09 Mar 2009 : 12:59:57
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| A realmsian booze that is so strong it is considered poison hehe! |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Alisttair
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Posted - 09 Mar 2009 : 13:41:53
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Technically, all alcohol is poison. Which is why, if you drink enough, you'll die.
True...I guess Jhuild is just more potent than others. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 09 Mar 2009 : 13:42:36
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Technically, all alcohol is poison. Which is why, if you drink enough, you'll die.
Unless you're a dwarf of course  |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Rabiesbunny
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Posted - 09 Mar 2009 : 14:42:04
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| Okay, so it looks like the version out of Lords of Darkness just happens to be like it in many ways. Since a first edition source links it to Rasheman, the "Thrallwine" seems to be a take off of it. Unless anyone else has heard of this version somewhere, too? |
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Markustay
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Posted - 09 Mar 2009 : 16:41:50
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Those were my thoughts as well - Jhuild has a certain religious significance amongst the Rashemi Rus. It is probably brewed in temples to Malar or other 'Savage Gods'. The original formula may have been devised by the Witches, even, in order to help control the Barbarian Rage (Note that the Rus originally came from Rauthym, and such an 'elixir' is unavailable there).
Two assumptions I make here - that Barbarians from Rauthym have traditionally used alcohal to either enhance or control their rages. When that group (the Rus) came through that portal by accident, they brought their traditons with them. The Witches found these new allies useful, but in need of more control. Latching onto the Rus's penchant to use 'strong spirits' (alcohal) to take the edge off their rages, they concocted and incredibly potent beverage using local herbs and what-not (Witches are adroit at potion-brewing).
Second assumption: This 'liquor' has gained quite an infamous reputation outside of Rashemen, and many folks have tried to duplicate it. Although some Theskians managed to get their hands on the formula, it still lacks that extra 'something' (Rashemen's soil is laced with nature-magics, giving the plantlife their certain properties not found elsewhere). So they brew Jhuild - following the recipe to the letter, but it just doesn't have the same exact properties of that brewed in Rashemen (probably in Temples, and probably by Witches).
One last thing - You just gave me an idea for an NPC, and the region is PERFECT for it!
A Drunken Master That drinks Jhuild! 
If a group of Shou-expatriates settled in Rashemen (and I'm sure some did), I can see an entire 'cult' forming around this concept - The Holy Lushes!
Edit: Even better - since Alcohal does damage the body, these guys are perfect for a cult of Ilmater - 'suffering' in the name of their god. Quite naturally, their patron would be St. Dionysius.  |
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Rabiesbunny
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 00:23:21
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Well, thanks for your takes on things, folks! It's nto a vital thing anyway, just something that really bugged me as I looked through my books.
:3 And that is a GREAT idea, Markustay. I wish to steal it! |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 10:47:31
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Originally posted by Markustay
Edit: Even better - since Alcohal does damage the body, these guys are perfect for a cult of Ilmater - 'suffering' in the name of their god. Quite naturally, their patron would be St. Dionysius.
It all starts with that, then when you become a grand master within the cult, you can start taking Haunspeir and other more potent things to further 'suffer' for others.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 17:09:46
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I've decided to write those guys up for the RealmsVault Annual.
The officially call themselves 'The Inebriants', but are also whimsically referred to as Dionysius' Drunkards, the Holy Hammered, Muddled Monks, and a variety of other not-so-pleasant nicknames.
However, they take their drinking VERY seriously, as they do their brewing (which they call the "elixir of the Gods"). Most communities tolerate their monasteries nearby just because of the fantastic brews they produce.
Thats just a sneak-Peak.  |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 18:15:57
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Second assumption: This 'liquor' has gained quite an infamous reputation outside of Rashemen, and many folks have tried to duplicate it. Although some Theskians managed to get their hands on the formula, it still lacks that extra 'something' (Rashemen's soil is laced with nature-magics, giving the plantlife their certain properties not found elsewhere). So they brew Jhuild - following the recipe to the letter, but it just doesn't have the same exact properties of that brewed in Rashemen (probably in Temples, and probably by Witches).
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The jhuild sidebar on page 137 of Unapproachable East states explicitly that, "Like alcoholic drinks, jhuild is technically a poison..." with a DC12 Fort save. The sidebar is also explicit that "a weakened" form of "jhuild" is sold outside of Rashemen for up to 30 times the Rashemaar price. It's not much of a leap of logic to assume that countless barkeeps and barflies, seeing that a patron can afford 15 gold pieces (fifteen!) for one drink, might slip some of Michael Finn's Finest into the "weakened" jhuild, leaving the silly spender robbed and beaten in an alley or Shanghaied ("Shou Lunged"?) into naval service or pressed into military duty.
<startrant>Having had to endure Tristan and Isolde twice too many times in the past couple of years, I feel inclined to scream somewhere (and here is appropriate): THEY WERE DRUGGED, DAMMIT! There was no mystical love-death leitmo-whatchamacallit going on; the maid slipped 'em a dose of Irish roofie! Many a fine lad or lass in Faerun has probably fallen "in love" after drinking foreign "jhuild," too, I'm sure.<endrant>
As for Ilmateri hang-over cultists, I think it would be a good idea to ask Ed who some of the famous topers of history have been, and what stray bits of lore are associated with them. The Chinese poet Li Po, for example, was a famous drunkard, and if not he than another, famous poet drowned after leaning over the side of a boat to grasp the reflection of the Moon -- that has "mystery cult" written all over it!
As for a jhuild-drinking drunken master, I can see that it might be novel, but unless he was a PC and role-played the development of his art for months of real time, I don't see that it would be any cooler than having any "normal" drunken master. Now a drunken master who only drinks Green Shoju....
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 22:04:09
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I have every intention of building a PrC around it. Interesting fact about Li Po... I may have to use that (with a Shou Poet, of course).
Who knows? Maybe they even have ties to the Vodka-swilling Bear-warriors of Sossal.
And it would be Luskaned', I think, in the Realms (aren't they knwon for pressing people into their navy?)
If you wanted a more Oriental term clkoser to the RW one, then I'd go with Tu-Lunged (the Shou are much too civilized for that). |
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Confusion behind 'Jhuild'..
