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AuldDragon
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Posted - 05 Mar 2021 :  01:23:11  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

You could always compile it into a giant pdf. I'm sure Candlekeep would host it! It would be great to see all your work in one place.



I do plan to make some compilations once I'm done, with the same sort of preface and appendices that the Faiths & Avatars series has. I haven't decided yet how I plan to distribute it, but thanks for the offer. :)

Jeff

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George Krashos
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Posted - 05 Mar 2021 :  03:27:30  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Which Excel files? I can reupload them in .zip format if there's no Mac program to decompress .rar files.

Jeff



My Mac doesn't have one. And it's pretty new - got it last year.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Mar 2021 :  04:22:42  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Which Excel files? I can reupload them in .zip format if there's no Mac program to decompress .rar files.

Jeff



My Mac doesn't have one. And it's pretty new - got it last year.

-- George Krashos



7Zip should work for that. I know it unzips .rar files on the Windows side, so it should do the same for Mac systems.

It's freeware, and it's one I readily recommend. I was even using it at work, before it got official sanction from on high -- which I really shouldn't have been doing as an IT person!

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George Krashos
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Posted - 05 Mar 2021 :  05:47:38  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Which Excel files? I can reupload them in .zip format if there's no Mac program to decompress .rar files.

Jeff



My Mac doesn't have one. And it's pretty new - got it last year.

-- George Krashos



7Zip should work for that. I know it unzips .rar files on the Windows side, so it should do the same for Mac systems.

It's freeware, and it's one I readily recommend. I was even using it at work, before it got official sanction from on high -- which I really shouldn't have been doing as an IT person!



Doesn't look Mac compatible - but found one that was.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 Apr 2021 :  21:17:12  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oberon the Faerie King: https://bit.ly/3wiU1L7

Oberon is a god of male faerie warriors and hunters, and patron of wild places and the beasts who live there. He is consort to Titania, but is not fond of the politics of the Seelie Court and prefers to stay away when possible. He is a tireless defender of the sylvan races, and is more than willing to take the fight to the Court’s foes.

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Razz
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These are pretty damn nice. My only concern is some of these deities are not officially in the Realms (or maybe I can't seem to find an official source lending evidence of their presence). That can make things confusing for those who want to keep known deities in their Realms games. Psilofyr, for example, has a presence in Toril but I've never seen anything on, say, Meriadar, Refnara, or Mirklak?
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 07 Apr 2021 :  06:35:41  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Razz

These are pretty damn nice. My only concern is some of these deities are not officially in the Realms (or maybe I can't seem to find an official source lending evidence of their presence). That can make things confusing for those who want to keep known deities in their Realms games. Psilofyr, for example, has a presence in Toril but I've never seen anything on, say, Meriadar, Refnara, or Mirklak?



The project covers deities throughout the multiverse of 2e; most of them were officially in the Forgotten Realms, or were assumed to be despite having no official mention. Meriadar is the god of mongrelmen (and non-evil goblinoids); he is from DMGR4 Monster Mythology, and there are no explicit statements that he is not canonically worshiped in the Realms, so 2e's assumption would've been that he is.

Refnara is from a single generic adventure in Dungeon Magazine, so in her case, no, she is not canonical. But there are no canonical deities displacing her, either, and her existence would add to gnollish culture.

Mirklak is canonically in the Realms. He is mentioned briefly on page 19 of the Thar booklet in Elminster's Ecologies, along with Ysshara.

I believe the only deities in the list that are affirmatively not worshipped in FR are Merrshaulk, Eachtighern, Nebelun, Mellifleur, Juiblex, and the Elder Elemental God. In all cases there are local replacements. There's some that are unlikely to be worshiped in FR, like Klikral (since there are probably no insectare), while most others can easily fit into the various monstrous pantheons.

Jeff

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sleyvas
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I'd also add that just because some deities aren't mentioned, doesn't mean they might not be worshipped in Anchorome, in Katashaka, in Osse, or on one of the other worlds in realmspace. It has always been my belief that the realms can accomodate many gods, especially racial gods of creatures that are widespread across Toril. Gnolls can be found all over the place, for instance, and so having a portion of the gnollish population worshipping Refnara or Gorellik as opposed to a demon makes sense. Granted, some may also worship Malar or Tempus or some other deity of the Faerunian Pantheon, but if elves, gnomes, halflings, dwarves, giants etc.... have their own pantheons, so should gnolls, minotaurs, hybsil, centaurs, wemics, etc... even if those pantheons are only a single deity and they also worship outside of that individual.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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PattPlays
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Posted - 08 Apr 2021 :  02:54:20  Show Profile  Visit PattPlays's Homepage Send PattPlays a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

I'd also add that just because some deities aren't mentioned, doesn't mean they might not be worshipped in Anchorome, in Katashaka, in Osse, or on one of the other worlds in realmspace. It has always been my belief that the realms can accomodate many gods, especially racial gods of creatures that are widespread across Toril. Gnolls can be found all over the place, for instance, and so having a portion of the gnollish population worshipping Refnara or Gorellik as opposed to a demon makes sense. Granted, some may also worship Malar or Tempus or some other deity of the Faerunian Pantheon, but if elves, gnomes, halflings, dwarves, giants etc.... have their own pantheons, so should gnolls, minotaurs, hybsil, centaurs, wemics, etc... even if those pantheons are only a single deity and they also worship outside of that individual.



Now I'm just thinking about how involved the Demon Lords were in the history of places like Nar and wondering.. Assuming extra-ordinary planar threats like Demon Lords would be aware of other continents, would they prioritize greater Faerun or be perfectly capable of running multiple independent assaults on the various continents across time? Perhaps their problems are more focused on the obscure planar threats that Wotc doesn't touch.

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 08 Apr 2021 :  06:21:17  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays

Now I'm just thinking about how involved the Demon Lords were in the history of places like Nar and wondering.. Assuming extra-ordinary planar threats like Demon Lords would be aware of other continents, would they prioritize greater Faerun or be perfectly capable of running multiple independent assaults on the various continents across time? Perhaps their problems are more focused on the obscure planar threats that Wotc doesn't touch.



The Blood War should be the main pre-occupation of powerful fiends. Prime Material plans should be dabblings and amusements for them.

The thing is, the fiends are home. Everyone's home is their main concern, and they all have rivalries with other fiends. These things will consume most of their attention, IMO.

Jeff

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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 Apr 2021 :  13:23:07  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays

Now I'm just thinking about how involved the Demon Lords were in the history of places like Nar and wondering.. Assuming extra-ordinary planar threats like Demon Lords would be aware of other continents, would they prioritize greater Faerun or be perfectly capable of running multiple independent assaults on the various continents across time? Perhaps their problems are more focused on the obscure planar threats that Wotc doesn't touch.



The Blood War should be the main pre-occupation of powerful fiends. Prime Material plans should be dabblings and amusements for them.




What makes you think the Blood War is a "thing" in the Forgotten Realms multiverse?

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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LordofBones
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What makes you think it isn't? Canonically, Waukeen sought out an Oeridian power for help during the ToT, Lathander was duped by Iyachtu Xvim into believing he was Sirrion until Paladine stepped in, and several powers share divine realms (Auril/Loki, Waukeen/Shinare, Lathander/Ushas, Velsharoon/Mellifleur). The existence of pantheons entirely separate from the Torilian pantheons is certainly more egregious than the notion that two different fiendish races are being egged on by a third in a war that seldom, if ever, touches the Prime Material Plane.

Edited by - LordofBones on 08 Apr 2021 15:08:58
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 09 Apr 2021 :  01:24:44  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

What makes you think the Blood War is a "thing" in the Forgotten Realms multiverse?

-- George Krashos



Because it is in the edition of the game I play and write for, and is the best explanation for why the teeming hordes of the Abyss and Baator don't overrun the Prime Material. :)

Jeff

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George Krashos
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Posted - 09 Apr 2021 :  15:01:44  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

What makes you think it isn't? Canonically, Waukeen sought out an Oeridian power for help during the ToT, Lathander was duped by Iyachtu Xvim into believing he was Sirrion until Paladine stepped in, and several powers share divine realms (Auril/Loki, Waukeen/Shinare, Lathander/Ushas, Velsharoon/Mellifleur). The existence of pantheons entirely separate from the Torilian pantheons is certainly more egregious than the notion that two different fiendish races are being egged on by a third in a war that seldom, if ever, touches the Prime Material Plane.



Because I can't recall ever seeing a gaming product with the FR logo on it talk about the Blood War, although I'm happy to stand corrected. The examples you provide don't respond to the statement I made, with the greatest of respect, and I fail to understand your use of the word "egregious". Planar travel is a feature of the Realms. That doesn't amount in any way to a confirmation that the Blood War - a semi-interesting concept wholly promoted by the Planescape line of products - necessarily should be a feature of the Forgotten Realms. Just saying.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 09 Apr 2021 :  15:06:11  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

What makes you think the Blood War is a "thing" in the Forgotten Realms multiverse?

-- George Krashos



Because it is in the edition of the game I play and write for, and is the best explanation for why the teeming hordes of the Abyss and Baator don't overrun the Prime Material. :)

Jeff



I would have thought that the best explanation is that the teeming hordes have no way of directly accessing the Prime, but I won't clog up your excellent thread any further.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Apr 2021 :  18:23:07  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos


Because I can't recall ever seeing a gaming product with the FR logo on it talk about the Blood War, although I'm happy to stand corrected.



It is mentioned several times in For Duty & Deity, and a couple times in Hellgate Keep. I'm sure it's referenced elsewhere, too; those were some of the most obvious choices to look at, among my collection of pdfs. I didn't find it in any of the sourcebooks I looked at, but I only checked a handful and at least one of those files may not be OCR'ed.

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Ayrik
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I recall some mentions of the Blood War in late-3E early-4E Realmslore. Daemonfey, Szassy, and Tsagoth, I think.

But more recently, this:

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate:_Descent_into_Avernus

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Baltas
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quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon
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I believe the only deities in the list that are affirmatively not worshipped in FR are Merrshaulk, Eachtighern, Nebelun, Mellifleur, Juiblex, and the Elder Elemental God. In all cases there are local replacements. There's some that are unlikely to be worshiped in FR, like Klikral (since there are probably no insectare), while most others can easily fit into the various monstrous pantheons.

Jeff



With the Elder Elemental God it's interesting. Edd did probably intend Ghaunadaur to be the Elder Elemental God, only altered on Toril.
Gary Gygax himself confirmed Ghaunadaur is an Elder Elemental God - one of three. As Gary stated in Oerth Journal 12, there are three Elder Elemental Gods - Ghaunadaur (who is among worlds, active on Toril), Vilp-akf'cho Rentaq (the Elder Elemental God active on Oerth, ie who people most often think as EEG), and a third unnamed Elder Elemental God. They share the same true form, and an EEG worshipped on a world, can be any of the three, or worshipped as a trinity, unless specified. As well implied that Rentaq, Ghaunaaur and the third EGG may be the same sort of being.
(Oerth Journal 12, page 10):
https://greyhawkonline.com/oerthjournal/

quote:
Vilp-akf’cho Rentaq is but one of three EEG’s. Ghaunadaur is another and there is yet a third, unnamed EEG. All three share the inverted triangle symbol and the same true form. All are dark creative deities who thrive in the elemental chaos of primordial universes. Although never together, depictions always show them as a trio, typically being worshipped by numerous sentient creatures of many different worlds and universes. It is thought that this is merely symbolic and that it is a representation of the beings across temporal, spatial, and other dimensions. Nonetheless, there is a definite unity in the triumvirate beings. Indeed, the inverted triangle symbol used to represent them is one triangle made-up of three equal triangles.


(The issue also has a lot of other interesting information about the Elder Elemental God(s).)

Gary also stated Tharizdun is a separate being from EGG (Rentaq), and not one of the three EEGs, if though publications by Wizards contradict it.

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 18 Apr 2021 :  21:52:24  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Right, Ghaunadaur would respond to prayers from priests of the Elder Elemental God from another sphere. He also responds to prayers to Juiblex, because he has elements both deities.

But he is a separate entity. :)

Jeff

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Baltas
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Yup, that what I meant - with the main Elder Elemental God (Vilp-akf'cho Rentaq), Ghaunadaur and the third EEG being "the same sort of being", as being of the same, or related "species" or type of deific being.

Sorry if it seemed I implied they are the same being.
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AuldDragon
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Thrig’ki the Rapacious: https://bit.ly/2QCBolt

Another of the neogi deities from Dragon Magazine #214, Thrig’ki is one of the more interesting deities. It represents the closest thing the spidery neogi have to “love;” their emotion is much closer to envy, jealousy, and covetousness. Due to its purview over these emotions, it has come to also represent trade and commerce as well.

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TomCosta
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Seems very Ferengi like. :-)
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AuldDragon
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quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

Seems very Ferengi like. :-)




But far darker, I hope! :)

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Alathrien Druanna, the Rune Mistress: https://bit.ly/34BKFNK

A minor, nearly forgotten member of the Seldarine, Alathrian Druanna is the goddess of writing, subservient to Labelas Enoreth in his role as keeper of history. Because of her portfolio on writing, she has come to hold the fields of conjuration, geometric, and runic magic as well, although only a small number of elves still follow her tenets.

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sleyvas
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Hey AuldDragon, one thing that just occurred to me, and I don't know how much of a pain it would be for you.... but any chance on these various god pages that you might be able to put a note of at least a single reference that the source might be found in? I'm thinking something like a sentence at the very end saying "I first found out about this deity in a reference found in Dragon #XXX " and maybe if you know the article name mention it, or "I first found about this deity in TSR product TSR#### <book name>". Not a big deal, and I believe you have it in the spreadsheet that I can dig and find, but it would be nice when reading the various entries if it was right there (I sometimes like to go read the original and then see how much more you improved it OR get an idea of where it was originally intended to be used, etc...)

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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