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Portuguese D. Ace
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Posted - 16 Apr 2021 :  10:59:07  Show Profile Send Portuguese D. Ace a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Dear Sages,

it's been a long time since I asked you a question.

In my recent studies I came across a specific map, namely the wonderful map of Chessenta included in the Backdrop: Chessenta article in Dungeon 178 (pages 68-77, map on 72).

In the right part of the map, over the border of Chessenta, on the northern shores of the Methmere, we can find a place named Shuruppak.

Yes, Shuruppak, as the "The Reaper", chosen of Gilgeam and so on.


I find it interesting, as Unther should be on Abeir in 1480 (present day of the article).
I searched on other books and maps: none of it displayed this city.
The only "nearby" cities - with a possible similar names - I found on maps are Shussel (3e campaign guide) and Sadamzar (Dragon 358 map, no info on it)

Do any of you have any info on it? Or should i consider it as an oversight/mistake by the cartographer?

Or maybe, in that specific moment in time, it was the pinpointed location of the actual Shuruppak, the Reaper, wandering as a madman?
(was he even still alive, in 1480?!)

Thank you for your help.

Please, bring back the Realms. I'm really fed up with the Sword Coast.


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Edited by - Portuguese D. Ace on 16 Apr 2021 11:48:57

Zeromaru X
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Posted - 17 Apr 2021 :  01:35:42  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sadly, there is not much info of this area in specific. And yes, this region would be part of northern Tymanther in 1480, but since the article about Tymanther got cancelled, we never got any lore about this region.

My guess is that this town was named after Shuruppak for some reason or another. Perhaps is the site where he died or was seen for the last time before the Spellplague, or something like that.

Long ago, in the distant past, they fell into decay. The philosopher’s path... The river of glory... Even the saints resting in the darkness rise up without response and block the way...

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sleyvas
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Posted - 17 Apr 2021 :  01:36:21  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh wow, that's a great find. I'd pretty much assume that its a town named after him. Maybe with his ruler gone he decided it was his time to be king or something, and he established a city meant for only those strong enough to live there?

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Portuguese D. Ace
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Posted - 17 Apr 2021 :  14:39:38  Show Profile Send Portuguese D. Ace a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

Sadly, there is not much info of this area in specific. And yes, this region would be part of northern Tymanther in 1480, but since the article about Tymanther got cancelled, we never got any lore about this region.

My guess is that this town was named after Shuruppak for some reason or another. Perhaps is the site where he died or was seen for the last time before the Spellplague, or something like that.



Thank you for your reply!
It's sad that that article got cancelled, it could have been great.

I think that in 1480 it could have been strange that the town kept its "original" name: i think Tymantherans (dragonborns) pretty much colonized the entire region - usually over ruins of the past.

I very much like the idea this was his final resting place - maybe where he fought his last battle.
Dragonborns respect might, maybe they even erected a mausoleum, there...

Please, bring back the Realms. I'm really fed up with the Sword Coast.


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Portuguese D. Ace
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Posted - 17 Apr 2021 :  14:42:50  Show Profile Send Portuguese D. Ace a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Oh wow, that's a great find. I'd pretty much assume that its a town named after him. Maybe with his ruler gone he decided it was his time to be king or something, and he established a city meant for only those strong enough to live there?



Thank you!
I never meddled much with Chessenta before, but using that fantastic Backdrop article i stumbled upon this (and also the nearby town of Maugor... not interesting as Shuruppak, but unkwnown nontheless).

Now I used the area as a starting point for a campaign (and fell in love with Luthcheq lore); the group just crossed the Heptios river and is bound to "Shuruppak".

Only the gods know what they will find there.

Please, bring back the Realms. I'm really fed up with the Sword Coast.


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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 18 Apr 2021 :  00:12:50  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Portuguese D. Ace

I think that in 1480 it could have been strange that the town kept its "original" name: i think Tymantherans (dragonborns) pretty much colonized the entire region - usually over ruins of the past.



Yeah, they colonized most of old Unther, but they advanced more to the south (Greenlands and the frontier with Mulhorand), and the north was just sparsely populated (just farmsteads, according to the novels). So there are two options:

-The dragonborn colonized the town and for some reason left its original name.
-The town is inhabited by humans, as we know the Untherans who survived the Spellplague and weren't sent to Abeir, they left their lands and settled near Chessenta. Shuruppak may be a town were the descendants of these Untherans live.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 18 Apr 2021 :  15:54:21  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
just to note as well, if you look at much of Erin's work on Tymanther, they had several names that one would consider related to ancient Sumerian/Mesopotamian/Babylonian mythology amongst the dragonborn. By that, I mean Dumuzi is a name of a god who was the husband of Inanna, but also the name of the dragonborn who became the "chosen" of Enlil. I want to say I noted several other lifts of that sort which would almost seem to provide a link between the Untheric people and the dragonborn. Throw on top of all this that Shuruppak is a city name in OUR world in the same region that draws into the religion of Unther.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuruppak

So, as odd as it may sound, the two cultures may actually have some kind of "hidden" link between them and for some reason share names. Not necessarily where I'd go with things, but it could be done.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 19 Apr 2021 :  02:06:08  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, this gives us option 3:

This town has nothing to do with The Reaper, and is named after some dragonborn named Shuruppak...

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Apr 2021 :  04:01:24  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Option 4:

Shuruppak the Reaper was born in Shuruppak the village. Thing is, he was actually named Sherlie. Obviously, this is not a name that inspires fear... So when someone once mistook the name of the village for his name, Sherlie decided that Shuruppak was a better name and never corrected the guy.

Thus, Sherlie of Shuruppak grew up to be Shuruppak the Reaper, and a lot of people didn't get to live happily ever after.


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LordofBones
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Posted - 19 Apr 2021 :  04:56:41  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sherlie was a nice, sweet, gentle little bookworm before the other kids' teasing got too much and drove him straight into the arms of evil. It's why he had those wizard levels before he became a fighter with an edgy mask and an oversized butterknife for a weapon.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 19 Apr 2021 :  20:01:15  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting enough, the real life city of Shuruppak was a place of healing and stuff. Quite the contrast with our murderhobbo friend here.

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Portuguese D. Ace
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Posted - 27 Apr 2021 :  15:03:15  Show Profile Send Portuguese D. Ace a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

just to note as well, if you look at much of Erin's work on Tymanther, they had several names that one would consider related to ancient Sumerian/Mesopotamian/Babylonian mythology amongst the dragonborn. By that, I mean Dumuzi is a name of a god who was the husband of Inanna, but also the name of the dragonborn who became the "chosen" of Enlil. I want to say I noted several other lifts of that sort which would almost seem to provide a link between the Untheric people and the dragonborn. Throw on top of all this that Shuruppak is a city name in OUR world in the same region that draws into the religion of Unther.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuruppak

So, as odd as it may sound, the two cultures may actually have some kind of "hidden" link between them and for some reason share names. Not necessarily where I'd go with things, but it could be done.



Yes, I stumbled too on Our Shuruppak and went "UH?!" for a while.

Please, bring back the Realms. I'm really fed up with the Sword Coast.


===== Since English is not my first language, I pre-emptively apologize for any (grammar) mistake that has been made in my post. In order to help me improve my English, please, point out those mistakes (If you could do it politely, it would be even better!). Thanks! =====
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LordofBones
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The Untheric pantheon is the Babylonian pantheon, even if Gilgeam is a less-awesome Gilgamesh, whether the original flavor or the "ONORE ZASSHU!" one.
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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

The Untheric pantheon is the Babylonian pantheon, even if Gilgeam is a less-awesome Gilgamesh, whether the original flavor or the "ONORE ZASSHU!" one.



Onore Zasshu????

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 01 May 2021 :  01:34:36  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas


Onore Zasshu????



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX9LK8AS-pM

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Posted - 01 May 2021 :  13:23:07  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas


Onore Zasshu????



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX9LK8AS-pM



Some new japanime thing with Gilgamesh in it?

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LordofBones
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Posted - 01 May 2021 :  15:49:10  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas


Onore Zasshu????



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX9LK8AS-pM



Some new japanime thing with Gilgamesh in it?



The Fate series Gilgamesh has been around for at least a decade. He's fairly true to his mythological incarnation, right down to his murderous hatred for Ishtar and the taking down of the Bull of Heaven.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 01 May 2021 :  17:19:53  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas


Onore Zasshu????



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX9LK8AS-pM



Some new japanime thing with Gilgamesh in it?



The Fate series Gilgamesh has been around for at least a decade. He's fairly true to his mythological incarnation, right down to his murderous hatred for Ishtar and the taking down of the Bull of Heaven.





ah, gotcha, and apparently some of its on netwflix... may look at it. Thanks.

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