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Horatio
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Posted - 27 Jul 2021 :  10:03:48  Show Profile  Visit Horatio's Homepage Send Horatio a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
This documentary tells the story of a Forgotten Realms hardcore role-playing community that existed back in 2003-2004 through the game Neverwinter Nights, It shows the amazing collaborative storytelling was accomplished therein, as though we were characters from a fantasy novel...

https://youtu.be/C3epaXCW1ac

It also shows the true beauty of permadeath, of players-driven hamlets and community-based roleplay, of the feeling of a "world" united by a cause...a true epic fantasy that we lived through.

Gelcur
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Posted - 30 Jul 2021 :  18:37:12  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The true genius of NWN was the toolset and the multiplayer servers. The games were fine but the number of MMO servers that existed was amazing.

Another great one was A Land Far Away, ALFA, all RP, perma-death, SLOW leveling, personalized DMing. It took place in the Faerun proper had a dozen or so servers each a different region and roughly 500 players at its height, if I remember right.

Some of the best RPing I have seen in my life, it wasn't a "mindless" video game about leveling, it was an escape from the real world.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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Lord Karsus
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-I never even played it, but I read a book about the history of Star Wars Galaxies, and it really is fascinating the degree to which people take some MMOs seriously and build something authentic.

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Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 31 Jul 2021 :  04:52:09  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

-I never even played it, but I read a book about the history of Star Wars Galaxies, and it really is fascinating the degree to which people take some MMOs seriously and build something authentic.



That was my first MMO. I only played for a few months, and I had no idea what I was doing for a lot of it!

One of my Lords of Waterdeep was inspired by the one SWG toon I had.

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Gelcur
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Posted - 31 Jul 2021 :  05:52:24  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not really RP but epicly serious MMO EVE online I have heard amazing tales about. I have always wanted to try it but I always come to the conclusion, it would literally suck up every moment of my life if I were to devote to it what the game requires.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 31 Jul 2021 :  15:37:46  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

That was my first MMO. I only played for a few months, and I had no idea what I was doing for a lot of it!

One of my Lords of Waterdeep was inspired by the one SWG toon I had.


-Here's a link to it. I bought a physical copy when a while ago when it first came out from either Amazon or eBay, but it looks like they aren't doing physical copies anymore. But, hey, it's a free PDF, so even better:
https://jamesmcrosby.itch.io/galaxiesthebook

-Related, this was another really fun read, from Bill Slavicsek about the role he and the other West End designers had on establishing the EU in all of the RPG materials they created. The current people/corporation could learn a thing or two from their dedication, if you ask me:
https://www.amazon.com/Defining-Galaxy-Years-Far-Away/dp/1729574939/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=defining+a+galaxy&qid=1627742176&sr=8-2

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Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium

Edited by - Lord Karsus on 31 Jul 2021 15:38:53
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Horatio
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Posted - 01 Aug 2021 :  08:11:07  Show Profile  Visit Horatio's Homepage Send Horatio a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

The true genius of NWN was the toolset and the multiplayer servers. The games were fine but the number of MMO servers that existed was amazing.

Another great one was A Land Far Away, ALFA, all RP, perma-death, SLOW leveling, personalized DMing. It took place in the Faerun proper had a dozen or so servers each a different region and roughly 500 players at its height, if I remember right.

Some of the best RPing I have seen in my life, it wasn't a "mindless" video game about leveling, it was an escape from the real world.



Well said, ALFA was never as popular as Haze but lasted a lot longer, btw here's shorter documentary about Neverwinter Nights and Haze that may be relevant for a person whose a 45 mins documentary is too much for:

https://youtu.be/iTEMfsAvqOc

IMO without permadeath it's a game, with permadeath it's a story. So much more intensity when you add it... too bad it's such a rarity... here is a summary of just how rare permadeath is in role-playing servers:

https://youtu.be/XmzCRtmhe38
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Fayne
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Posted - 29 Oct 2021 :  17:20:21  Show Profile Send Fayne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ALFA is still around, both on NWN and NWN2. They have permadeath, but there are resurrections and raise dead spells. Just no respawn.
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Ayrik
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quote:
Originally posted by Fayne

... They have permadeath, but there are resurrections and raise dead spells. Just no respawn.

If they make resurrection-type magics cheap then they also cheapen the meaning of heroic risk, loss, sacrifice, and death.

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Fayne
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Posted - 30 Oct 2021 :  06:43:33  Show Profile Send Fayne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

quote:
Originally posted by Fayne

... They have permadeath, but there are resurrections and raise dead spells. Just no respawn.

If they make resurrection-type magics cheap then they also cheapen the meaning of heroic risk, loss, sacrifice, and death.



True, but still more risk than just being able to respawn. And on a slow leveling, roleplay server, it is not guarantied that you will be able to get a raise dead or resurrection. It would require a cleric of at least level 9 to be with you. And survive.
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