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Evrat
Acolyte
France
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 Posted - 02 May 2016 : 21:22:41
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Hi everyone,
I am confuse on Oghrann history.
" -3770 DR
The dwarf realm of Oghrann falls. Beset on all sides by enemies - lizardfolk, nomadic human tribes, wemics, and the usual bugbears, trolls, and goblinkin races - the realm was swept away by disease and war even before the dwarves' more northerly kingdom fell. »"
"Ammarindar fell when Ascalhorn became
Hellgate Keep, and evil creatures
overran the surface lands and the underways
all down the valley of the Delimbiyr.
Most of its folk escaped to Oghrann, only
to be scattered when that realm fell soon
after"
And as we know Ammarindar fell after Ascalhorn (882DR).
Or may be they do a difference between the east part of Oghrann (Marshes of Tun) and the west part (Far Hills).
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2016 : 09:28:28
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Yes, that would appear to be an 'error' in Cormanthyr (which provided hard dates for the dwarven kingdoms). I love Steven Schend to death but his 882 DR dating for the fall of Ascalhorn has caused no end of problems over the years. Dwarves remained in the environs of Oghrann even though it ceased to exist as an actual kingdom in the region. It is likely that dwarves from Ammarindar joined their kin in the Far Hills which is the only way to explain away this reference.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Wrigley
Senior Scribe
Czech Republic
605 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2016 : 14:49:36
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| As dwarfs from Oghrann later (-145DR) settled Tethyamar it would support your theory. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 03 May 2016 : 20:29:00
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Wouldn't it have been simpler all around to say it was a 'typo' and it was supposed to be -882 DR?
Too late now, but when it first became a problem... |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2016 : 19:14:31
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No, too much has been built around that 882 DR date now, and in doing so, the powers that be would have been deaf to any entreaties to change/ignore the North boxed set dating for lore-meshing/continuity reasons. There are a ton of lore gaffes in the published Realms, even by the most well regarded designers and amateurs. I found another one just last year but it's so obscure that no one would be too fussed. You gotta just roll with the punches.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2016 : 21:01:48
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Where's the fun in that! It's good future thread fodder.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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