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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 13:30:39
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And that's why my Realms goes to 1385 DR. I flick through every new product and am uninspired. I find better inspiration in my own noggin'.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 14:13:03
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Originally posted by George Krashos
And that's why my Realms goes to 1385 DR. I flick through every new product and am uninspired. I find better inspiration in my own noggin'.
-- George Krashos
Pretty much agreed, George. I'm taking that notion floating around here of our own Realms and our own canon to heart; I'm using some post 3e-stuff these days, but not much. My last straw for taking the 5e Realms "straight" was marrying Araumycos off to Zuggtmoy. Ugh.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Aug 2016 : 15:26:14
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Originally posted by George Krashos
And that's why my Realms goes to 1385 DR. I flick through every new product and am uninspired. I find better inspiration in my own noggin'.
-- George Krashos
There are nuggets here and there, but I otherwise agree. 3E is the cutoff point for me -- there was some good stuff in 3E, but there was also stuff I didn't like. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 28 Aug 2016 : 01:12:40
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Originally posted by Lumenbeing
Turns out it "isn't self-aware." Doesn't that go against the established lore that Grandfather Tree is an Arakhora?
When an Arakhora turns dormant is it permanent? I think it means it turns into a kind of tree, who isn't self-aware, no? Maybe it can wake up later, but it is not aware in its dormant state. |
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Gary Dallison
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Aug 2016 : 18:34:44
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Aug 2016 : 01:25:29
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 30 Aug 2016 : 03:54:04
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I doubt it will ever see the light of day now. Although you never know. It was not totally finished (the last version I saw at least) and was in 3.5E so would need a lot more work to be DMs Guild publishable. I wouldn't hold out any great hope.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gary Dallison
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Aug 2016 : 07:34:13
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I doubt it will ever see the light of day now. Although you never know. It was not totally finished (the last version I saw at least) and was in 3.5E so would need a lot more work to be DMs Guild publishable. I wouldn't hold out any great hope.
-- George Krashos
What a freaking shame. I swear I recall Eric say he planned on sharing it here. Honestly, if he were to put it on the Guild, I think it would do better as 3.5. If the door for the product over at wotsee is closed, why not share it? I would never begrudge a man trying to make a buck off of his labors, but whats the harm? |
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Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Aug 2016 : 15:45:53
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I doubt it will ever see the light of day now. Although you never know. It was not totally finished (the last version I saw at least) and was in 3.5E so would need a lot more work to be DMs Guild publishable. I wouldn't hold out any great hope.
-- George Krashos
I agree with Fellfire. There is nothing to lose by putting it on the DM Guild for a reasonable price. I'll just come right out and say that I'd pay upwards of $50 even if it's not the same production quality or size as a hardback sourcebook.
I just love his work and I would pay alot for the content alone, even if it's all walls of text.
I think you grognards are sitting on a virtual goldmine of FR lore. Even though it's 3.5e there is a huge following here that would pay dearly to read what you've all created!
3.5e can be put on the guild. There is no mandate that it be 4th or 5th edition merely because of the setting. From what I'm seeing on the Guild overall there is a still a very strong preference for the 3.5e materials. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2016 : 19:08:40
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Originally posted by Fellfire
What a freaking shame. I swear I recall Eric say he planned on sharing it here. Honestly, if he were to put it on the Guild, I think it would do better as 3.5. If the door for the product over at wotsee is closed, why not share it? I would never begrudge a man trying to make a buck off of his labors, but whats the harm?
I did work on both of his fan-products. Some of the first one - the Daggerford one - made it into a 4e product some time after he showed it around at Gencon 2012. Whether he was ever compensated for that I do not know (I KNOW the map was completely based off the one I did). THAT was that 'product' that he was planning on sharing, in one form or another. I believe it was right around that time when EG started to go his own route with his website, and there were some tentative plans to do some stuff over there (I believe Krash had a couple of articles there). That morphed into The Ed Greenwood Group, which was supposed to have a section for that sort of thing (non-cannon FR lore produced outside of WotC). The section was there for a time, with Krash's articles, and then the site was upgraded, and that stuff wasn't there anymore. It has been upgraded several more times since then, but since I've been banned from that site I couldn't tell you if that material is back. For whatever reason, AFAIK, Eric's amazing Daggerford material never made it onto that page.
The High Forest was ANOTHER product, significantly more ambitious (if that can even be imagined, if you've ever had the opportunity to see the Daggerford one), and that tied together a LOT of loose-ends, with input from such other luminaries as EG and Steven Schend (he fielded a couple of questions we had for him about the High Moor - YES, it get THAT broad). And, of course, with lots of help from George Krashos (who all the 'greats' go to for his timeline of the North). The last I seen of it, it was HUGE, and still a 'work in progress'. He and I mapped-out 12 additional projects moving forward, encompassing the entirety of the Western Realms, right up to the border of Amn. For whatever reason, we never got back to that.
From what I recall, there was never any plan to share that - it was a work of love, between 'old school' designers, to perfect the old Realms that they loved so dearly. He actually started it because his home campaign for his kids went from the Daggerford area into the High Forest, and thats what it seems to remain - his home campaign. I feel blessed to have been a part of all that.
Now, here's the problem, as I see it (thus, this is opinion). The released Daggerford product was a hack-job on the one Eric did, to shoe-horn it into the 4e realms, and it was missing about 90% of what made that labor-of-love so amazing (all the background/history). Imagine getting a Filet Mignon cooked by Gordon Ramsey, and someone throws it into a grinder, makes a hamburger out of it, and smothers it in ketchup. That would be a crime, would it not? Yeah... kinda like that.
Thus, AFAIK, unlike the Daggerford product, the High Forest was never communally shared (beyond the very few people who helped with it). I don't know this for a fact, but my best guess is that he just doesn't want any more of his masterpieces turned into fast-food hamburger. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 00:59:18
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Originally posted by Cards77
I think you grognards are sitting on a virtual goldmine of FR lore. Even though it's 3.5e there is a huge following here that would pay dearly to read what you've all created!
For every "finished" piece of work on my HD, there are 5 or 6 unfinished pieces of work. In between juggling work and a family, the Realms gets the lion's share of my spare time, but Ed I am not. If I have something that I think can be shared, I share it. But in all seriousness, you have to understand that you are sharing stuff with a community of interested individuals that is far smaller than you think. It's not like you are feverishly working on the next Game of Thrones installment. Sometimes real life intervenes and things go on the back burner. Sometimes for a long, long time. That's what has happened here. None of us do this to make money and let me tell you as a resident of Adelaide, Australia, there is no fame involved in being a grognard/lorelord of the Realms! So we do what we can, how we can, when we can. The Realms has room for everyone. Create and build your own goldmine.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 20:14:53
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Cards77
I think you grognards are sitting on a virtual goldmine of FR lore. Even though it's 3.5e there is a huge following here that would pay dearly to read what you've all created!
For every "finished" piece of work on my HD, there are 5 or 6 unfinished pieces of work. In between juggling work and a family, the Realms gets the lion's share of my spare time, but Ed I am not. If I have something that I think can be shared, I share it. But in all seriousness, you have to understand that you are sharing stuff with a community of interested individuals that is far smaller than you think. It's not like you are feverishly working on the next Game of Thrones installment. Sometimes real life intervenes and things go on the back burner. Sometimes for a long, long time. That's what has happened here. None of us do this to make money and let me tell you as a resident of Adelaide, Australia, there is no fame involved in being a grognard/lorelord of the Realms! So we do what we can, how we can, when we can. The Realms has room for everyone. Create and build your own goldmine.
-- George Krashos
I try. I'm just not as good as you guys. It's also duplication of effort. I'll never have the mind or imaginations that you guys do. So I do what I can and rely on you grognards for the rest!
I create in the hopes that someone else can enjoy what I've made. Not just to keep it for myself. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Wrigley
Senior Scribe
Czech Republic
605 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 22:03:40
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It would be a blast to see a almost-official take on High Forest "the old way". If Eric could finish it some day it would be a very bright day indeed.
For GF Tree I woud say he is either sleeping or doing some other activity that needs his focus. That is why he do not respond to his surroundings (and few holes in it's body). |
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The Grandfather Tree & High Forest
