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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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 Posted - 06 May 2003 : 10:25:19
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i have a question : why druids are allowed to fight with a scimitar although they can wear any metal armor, shield or weapon?
i don't follow the logic of DnD on this point.
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Edited by - Alaundo on 06 May 2003 14:02:48
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 06 May 2003 : 10:40:12
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| Dear Eilinel, i knew that order wasn't your main caracteristic... but look where you posted this |
Edited by - zemd on 06 May 2003 10:41:16 |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 06 May 2003 : 10:44:23
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(I should kill her one day... a sneak attack with a critical hit made by a maximized lighting bolt for instance...)
Why did u want to say? |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 06 May 2003 : 17:33:55
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eilinel:
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i have a question : why druids are allowed to fight with a scimitar although they can wear any metal armor, shield or weapon?
i don't follow the logic of DnD on this point.
Because the mechanics of 1e and 2e are extremely arbitrary and nonsensical. 
Druids use sickles to harvest mostletoe. Since they use sickles to harvest mistletoe, it is therefore OK to use sickles as weapons. Since scimitars are curved, like sickles, it's OK to use them as weapons too. Never mind that in games terms, from a broad conceptual standpoint, a scimitar is just a curved longsword.
Please, no condescending dissertations from weapons experts on the real-world differences between straight-bladed swords and scimitars. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2003 : 20:49:34
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 Bran, I'm shocked! I wasn't going to say a thing. Were you, Mournblade?   |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2003 : 02:00:22
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Hey I only clarify things as points of interest! Despite my dissertations I actually allow Dual Wielding, and double bladed swords. I think of my game like a movie. It is off reality a bit, but I still like to stay in line with SOME physics. I just love history what can I say?
And I teach biology and Chemistry. Makes no sense.
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 07 May 2003 : 15:57:11
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mmmh... I thought about that but im not convinced, anyway.
they can also use pic... i know that pic was used to hunt wild pigs but...
allright, i won't say anything too.
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2003 : 17:32:01
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mournblade94:
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Hey I only clarify things as points of interest! Despite my dissertations I actually allow Dual Wielding, and double bladed swords. I think of my game like a movie. It is off reality a bit, but I still like to stay in line with SOME physics. I just love history what can I say?
And I teach biology and Chemistry. Makes no sense.
X2 RULED!!!
So are you not interested in my ignorance, or are you just not interested in clarifying it? 
I'm sure I do a bang up job of clarifying it myself. "Two-handed swords weigh 15 lbs? Sure, sounds OK to me." |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 May 2003 : 22:40:56
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Not at all Bran. The only thing I know about Saracen swords have too do with Damascus steel which was immensely stronger, and could hold an edge better than western steel.. I don't think Damascus steel was a new alloy, I think it was a new technique...
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Xaralin
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2003 : 03:40:18
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| In third edition I don't ever recall it saying Druids can't have metal for a weapon or anything all it says is that Druids try to have as little metal on them as posible because it interferes with the pure and primal nature that they attempt to embody. I am very suprised that no one coverd this. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2003 : 17:18:44
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Xaralin:
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In third edition I don't ever recall it saying Druids can't have metal for a weapon or anything all it says is that Druids try to have as little metal on them as posible because it interferes with the pure and primal nature that they attempt to embody. I am very suprised that no one coverd this.
"None at all" would be "as little as possible". |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 12 May 2003 : 14:18:02
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mmmh scimitar does not look like sickle much more than that...
First it does cut on the same side and second it comes from regions where sickles never existed...
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 May 2003 : 16:10:23
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I think the reason for them being able to use scimitars is because scimitars were hunting weapons before they ever were fighting weapons. They were not used as fighting weapons until after the turks and most arabians started to use them that way.
They probably can use them because of the fact that, in the D&D time span they would have been still used as hunting tools. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 May 2003 : 01:04:41
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D&D is just an amalgamation of all the ancient cultures of the earth. The rationale for the scimitar is simply Gary Gygax and Dave aRneson thought the scimitar looked like a sickle and decided to include that as possible weapons. (there have been very old articles in DRAGON on this, I'll try to find them). With weapons like the athkatla coming into play, it is obvious the D&D world has no arms race. If it did, the chain mail armour would soon become obsolete and everyone would truck around in Plate Mail. Despite the weight, PLATE MAIL is WAY easier to wear than CHain Mail. You need a really good belt to wear chain mail so that the weight can be distributed somewhere, otherwise your shoulders and neck will BURN with fatigue. I ahve struggled with mixing armours in D&D games for awhile. Eventually I stopped getting so technical, and just figured it is what the character likes...
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 May 2003 : 02:14:54
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Originally posted by mournblade94
D&D is just an amalgamation of all the ancient cultures of the earth. The rationale for the scimitar is simply Gary Gygax and Dave aRneson thought the scimitar looked like a sickle and decided to include that as possible weapons. (there have been very old articles in DRAGON on this, I'll try to find them). With weapons like the athkatla coming into play, it is obvious the D&D world has no arms race. If it did, the chain mail armour would soon become obsolete and everyone would truck around in Plate Mail. Despite the weight, PLATE MAIL is WAY easier to wear than CHain Mail. You need a really good belt to wear chain mail so that the weight can be distributed somewhere, otherwise your shoulders and neck will BURN with fatigue. I ahve struggled with mixing armours in D&D games for awhile. Eventually I stopped getting so technical, and just figured it is what the character likes...
That could work. However if they wanted a more sickle like weapon why didnt they just not give Druids scimitars and give them Kopeshes instead? That way the sharp edge of the blade would have been on the inside of the curve... More like a sickle is. |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 08:02:02
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hmm... nor scimitars, nor khopeshes are really weapons or tools done for the forest... and swords are ust the continuity of farm tools as well.
But i agree that they had to give somehing to the druids that could be efficient, i mean compared with what the priest can use.
i actually don't remember if druids could use scimitars in the 1st edition, and i don't have my books here.
But, i think its enough about that, eventually its a fantastic game!
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 00:20:55
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Originally posted by eilinel
hmm... nor scimitars, nor khopeshes are really weapons or tools done for the forest... and swords are ust the continuity of farm tools as well.
But i agree that they had to give somehing to the druids that could be efficient, i mean compared with what the priest can use.
i actually don't remember if druids could use scimitars in the 1st edition, and i don't have my books here.
But, i think its enough about that, eventually its a fantastic game!
Yep 1st ed druids COULD use the scimitar.
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 11:42:09
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| well, but it looks good anyway, i think it was also a reason for their choice. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:33:20
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eilinel:
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well, but it looks good anyway, i think it was also a reason for their choice.
What looks good, scimitars? In 1e, they were so dopey only druids used them. |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 11:27:45
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ye, but they look good. What does Drizzt use to fight? its not the chance that they give him scimitars, it just looks good.
Even if it can be dopey  |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 11:38:54
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She's talking about the look of the blade, not the look of its stats.
Personally, I prefer a saber blade. Preferably with a finger-ring, or a rapier-style hilt. |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 11:42:25
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| yep, but u go to the finess, scimitars are not that fine. I also prefer sabers even if my avourite stays the greatsword. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 11:56:22
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or maybe its because the scimitar blade seems to be a leaf border...
::getting a poetry soul:: and the nerves running like a live the sharp line between the beauty and the danger... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 12:57:11
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| its too much congratulations, my dear friend. But im better in French, im sorry |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 23:03:24
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eilinel:
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ye, but they look good. What does Drizzt use to fight? its not the chance that they give him scimitars, it just looks good.
Even if it can be dopey
In 1e and 2e, Drizzt's not as minmaxed as he could be. |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 14:27:25
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a bit enough, no?
u may not think so... |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 18:26:36
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eilinel:
I was being sarcastic. Sarcasm, epecially written, doesn't cross linguistic and cultural barriers well.
I think Drizzt is very minmaxed in 3e, which I think is bad. He is not so minmaxed in 2e, which is better. |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 11 Jun 2003 : 10:55:27
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i think so too, actually but the problem is that if he wasn't, he couldn't be as glorious as he was in the 2nd, because characters are going as powerful as he is before reaching the 16th level, u know.
well, i don't know, i don't like Drizzt a lot beavuse of that... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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