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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  03:36:48  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

YES. And 'tis one of the many reasons I found myself easily immersed in Steven's "Blackstaff."


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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  03:45:41  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mensch

I must say I have an irrational dislike for Storm Silverhand after reading the Avatar trilogy. The way she treated Midnight and that poor Cyric after accusing them of Elminster's death just isn't fair. I'm absolutely sure that without the haughty accusations of Storm Cyric would still be a happy Chaotic Neutral rogue instead of a Chaotic Evil Supergod with a tendency to slit one's Achilles' heel

I voted for Laeral Silverhand, partly because she's the founder of the Moonstars.



Though Storm is not my favorite of the Seven, I find her quite interesting and fun. And I agree with you that the way she was portrayed in A.T. was rather dislikable. But if you read Silverfall, RotA, Shandril's S, and Shadows of the Av, I think you'll find her 'cool' enough...Oh, well, maybe not much in RotA.



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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  04:02:18  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Iluvrien

It isn't Alassra I find unbelievable... it is my capacity to remain anywhere near her that I doubt .



If you ask me, I scarcely see the difference. A cause-and-effect factor. In how I see it, your doubt springs from you finding her a bit unbelievable. (Too Regal to be comfortable with?)

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Zeffaniah
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  19:34:09  Show Profile  Visit Zeffaniah's Homepage Send Zeffaniah a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I voted for The Simbul - I simply love her chaotic wild nature. As King Azoun IV once called her:"A good friend, but a deadly enemy". Besides that, it was her who went for Elminster when he got banished to some unfriendly plane, don't remember which.

"In Thay they trust in their spells. They bluster overmuch and fear too little. Yet I know how to make a Red Wizard go pale with but 3 words. All I need say is: Summon The Simbul."

We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
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Iluvrien
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  23:05:45  Show Profile  Visit Iluvrien's Homepage Send Iluvrien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dennis
If you ask me, I scarcely see the difference. A cause-and-effect factor. In how I see it, your doubt springs from you finding her a bit unbelievable. (Too Regal to be comfortable with?)



Not Regal. Dangerous. It is Laeral and Alustriel that I consider to have a Regal, if mischevious, aspect to their natures. That is, perhaps, something I should have been clearer about; which two of the four that I mentioned I was referring to regalness in relation to.

With Alassra and her purr-at or pulverise nature, I couldn7t imagine myself getting close to her as a person before being torn apart by some manner of spellfury. Hers, or her enemy's.

I don't consider her unbelievable, just someone I would only be able to associate with while wearing... a tank.
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  02:22:33  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Okay, at least you made that clear.

I just think that the "danger" factor is one of the reasons that make The Simbul "outshine" her sisters. Even the Aglarondans are not totally safe from her fury, as seen in 'The Simbul's Gift.' But when things involve dire and immediate resolutions, expect the Simbul to never shirk them, no matter how fatal the actions may be.


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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  02:34:42  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeffaniah

it was her who went for Elminster when he got banished to some unfriendly plane, don't remember which.



It was Avernus, the first layer of Hell. El went there to seal the rift caused by a clash of his spellfire and Shadovar magic, and ended up a plaything of Nergal, an archfiend. Alassra went to Avernus and fought Nergal to rescue him.



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Zeffaniah
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  09:30:19  Show Profile  Visit Zeffaniah's Homepage Send Zeffaniah a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Zeffaniah

it was her who went for Elminster when he got banished to some unfriendly plane, don't remember which.



It was Avernus, the first layer of Hell. El went there to seal the rift caused by a clash of his spellfire and Shadovar magic, and ended up a plaything of Nergal, an archfiend. Alassra went to Avernus and fought Nergal to rescue him.



Thanks alot for the info Dennis. I never got to read those novels, only been told by some of my D&D friends what happened.
Will you recommend to read them?

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  14:27:17  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeffaniah

quote:
Originally posted by dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Zeffaniah

it was her who went for Elminster when he got banished to some unfriendly plane, don't remember which.



It was Avernus, the first layer of Hell. El went there to seal the rift caused by a clash of his spellfire and Shadovar magic, and ended up a plaything of Nergal, an archfiend. Alassra went to Avernus and fought Nergal to rescue him.



Thanks alot for the info Dennis. I never got to read those novels, only been told by some of my D&D friends what happened.
Will you recommend to read them?



Absolutely worth reading...they are full of juicy realmslore and interesting characters.

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Zeffaniah
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  20:34:07  Show Profile  Visit Zeffaniah's Homepage Send Zeffaniah a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok Red Walker, thanks alot. And the name of this box set is?
Thanks alot in advance for helping me out, helpful and wise people in here as always, well not as wise as The Sage though ;)

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  21:24:12  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeffaniah

Ok Red Walker, thanks alot. And the name of this box set is?
Thanks alot in advance for helping me out, helpful and wise people in here as always, well not as wise as The Sage though ;)



It's called The Elminster Series and unfortunately is no sold as a set yet.



A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  21:29:09  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Six books so far.

Elminster: Making of a Mage

Elminster in Myth Drannor

The Temptation of Elminster

Elminster in Hell

Elminster's Daughter


and the soon to be released Elminster Must Die!

also there is

Elminster Ascending : Which is the first three together in a trade paperback for around $10.

and The Annotated Elminster which is is a collectors edition hardcover of the first three , with Ed's notes and Doodles. ( i have heard great things about the extra notes and such, but have yet to open my copy)

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963

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Zeffaniah
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  21:49:12  Show Profile  Visit Zeffaniah's Homepage Send Zeffaniah a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, thanks alot m8.
Just found out, that I have Shadows Of Doom & Cloak Of Shadows on my book shelf aswell as The Temptation Of Elminster. Have never opened them lol,but the 2 first seems to be from The Shadow Of The Avatar series.

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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  22:41:33  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeffaniah

quote:
Originally posted by dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Zeffaniah

it was her who went for Elminster when he got banished to some unfriendly plane, don't remember which.



It was Avernus, the first layer of Hell. El went there to seal the rift caused by a clash of his spellfire and Shadovar magic, and ended up a plaything of Nergal, an archfiend. Alassra went to Avernus and fought Nergal to rescue him.



Thanks alot for the info Dennis. I never got to read those novels, only been told by some of my D&D friends what happened.
Will you recommend to read them?




I highly recommend that you read them. There's one more coming this August, called Elminster Must Die! And if you want to see a preview of it, you can read the last book of the "Ed Greenwood presents Waterdeep" series, "Circle of Skulls" (which sadly is not yet available here). I think the prologue or the first chapter of El Must Die! is included in that book.

You can read the series in any order, just like what one of my friends did. Though, as per my own experience, it's still better to read it in chronological order. Unfortunately I haven't got the chance to read the Annotated version. Our bookstores here ran out of copies and have no plan of reordering.

----some little spoilers here-----


Anyway, in Elminster in Hell, you'll get to see what a goddess's fury can do to Hell when her favorite Chosen is kidnapped, almost forgetting her duty to safeguard Toril. And of course, since you like the Simbul, you'll find her exploits here quite fun to read. Halaster also made a stunning appearance.

Have fun reading them!

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Zeffaniah
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 :  00:47:53  Show Profile  Visit Zeffaniah's Homepage Send Zeffaniah a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks alot Dennis, really looking forward to read those books. I believe one of my friends have them at home.
Have a nice day m8 :)

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The Sage
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 :  01:52:00  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker


and The Annotated Elminster which is is a collectors edition hardcover of the first three , with Ed's notes and Doodles. ( i have heard great things about the extra notes and such, but have yet to open my copy)

I'd doubly recommend The Annotated Elminster. The collection of Ed's notes, drawings, and annotations make this one of the most treasured pieces in my entire FR collection. They provide real insight into Ed's mind, and the creative processes involved in bringing the Realms to life.

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