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Originally posted by Qilintha

I don't know how the setting will be however...I'll think that this, alongside with BG3, is a good chance for FR to expand beyond the gamebooks, made if successful we'll get some new novels...

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I don't know how the setting will be however...I'll think that this, alongside with BG3, is a good chance for FR to expand beyond the gamebooks, made if successful we'll get some new novels...

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At minimum we will get a series of short stories and a one chapter at a time novel to tie in with the set.

Plus they are working on a big budget Forgotten Realms movie btw.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert


WotC has been trying very hard, over the last few years, to not give us new lore. I don't know why we should expect anything different when they're doing something for their true moneymaking property.

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WotC has been trying very hard, over the last few years, to not give us new lore. I don't know why we should expect anything different when they're doing something for their true moneymaking property.

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So what, all of the setting info from Waterdeep: Dragon Heist, Sword Coast Adventures Guide, Out of the Abyss, Baldur's Gate: Decent into Avernus, Storm King's Thunder, Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle, Lost Tales of Myth Drannor, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, Murder in Baldur's Gate, Dead in Thay, Legacy of The Shard, and Princes of the Apocalypse don't count I guess? I'm guessing we're also ignoring Rime of the Frost Maiden, set in icewind Dale due this winter and The Border Kingdoms: a Forgotten Realms supplement?

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Originally posted by Diffan

I completely understand the frustration of not getting a big solid Forgotten Realms campaign setting book, heck even 4th edition had two of them and gave Neverwinter more love than any other previous Edition. I also understand the frustration of WotC solely focusing on the sword Coast in Western Heartlands. I'm with you there. But I think it's disingenuous to say that they've been trying to not give us anything new lore wise. The lore given, and the means of which it's provided, may not be to your taste - which I respect - but it is there to be consumed.

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Originally posted by keftiu

Diffan, this is the same community that complained 4e FR had no lore even though it got three hardcovers and dozens of magazine articles. You’re not gonna convince anyone now. “Material I don’t like” is what everyone here means when they’re complaining about how the poor maligned Realms have gone hungry since 3.5.

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Originally posted by Dalor Darden

I think a static setting can be awesome personally. Harn anyone?

I have more lore than I need...ever...just with the Old Grey Box. Anything at all new is bonus gravy.

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Aside from the SCAG, the Border Kingdoms book is the only one that had any real amount of lore in it, and it wasn't published by WotC.

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And yes, with the exception of the SCAG the other books don't count when all they are is adventure books with minuscule amounts of lore, if that much. They're not adding anything to the setting.

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Aside from the SCAG, you could take every single one of the WotC books you mentioned, collate all the lore into a single place, and it wouldn't be 20 pages. I've got a bookshelf full of hardcover 5E books, and with that one exception, a single 64-page paperback booklet from 1E contains more lore than that entire shelf.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And that's all ignoring some of the bizarre things they've done, like turn a human into a yuan-ti, or give us a powerful wizard who doesn't bother to upgrade or replace his non-magical prosthetic hand, and who somehow, with one hand and an expended spell list, managed to escape from a more powerful wizard who was holding him captive.

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Aside from the SCAG, the Border Kingdoms book is the only one that had any real amount of lore in it, and it wasn't published by WotC.

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Can you define "real"?

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Originally posted by Diffan

I'm looking at Waterdeep: Dragon Hesit and it has a lot of info about NPCs of the Realms and a lot of info on Waterdeep too. I'm looking at the Murder in Baldur's Gate books, one of which is a Gazeteer about current things going on in Baldur's Gate. I have the Legacy of the Shard adventure, and that too has similar info about Icewind Dale. Way more than 20-pages.

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And that's all ignoring some of the bizarre things they've done, like turn a human into a yuan-ti, or give us a powerful wizard who doesn't bother to upgrade or replace his non-magical prosthetic hand, and who somehow, with one hand and an expended spell list, managed to escape from a more powerful wizard who was holding him captive.

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I'm not sure what you're referring to?

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Originally posted by keftiu

Diffan, this is the same community that complained 4e FR had no lore even though it got three hardcovers and dozens of magazine articles. You’re not gonna convince anyone now. “Material I don’t like” is what everyone here means when they’re complaining about how the poor maligned Realms have gone hungry since 3.5.

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Yes. Real as in, more than one sentence here, a paragraph there. It is obviously a foreign concept to the people now employed by WotC, but I may want to run my own adventures someplace, and need info to do that. I may even -- gasp! -- want to set them somewhere else in the Realms.

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Okay, so maybe I underbilled it with 20 pages. It's still practically nothing compared to 1E-3E, and it's all in books that dedicate a lot more space to adventure stuff.

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Again, I want to be able to run my own adventures. I want books about the setting, where I can come up with my own ideas for adventures -- not "here's an adventure we made up, and we'll throw in a few extra pages of lore that directly support that adventure."

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Even Mysteries of the Moonsea, which a lot of people disliked for the format, still had a huge amount of info, enough to let DMs entirely ignore the adventure stuff and go their own way. I wasn't happy with that format, compared to having a real sourcebook, but I was happy with the fact it had a lot of lore. Even going back to that format would be a huge improvement over the current approach.

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Ras Nsi, a former human bara of Ubtao, is now a yuan-ti necromancer.

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Manshoon was captured and imprisoned by Halaster, who -- for reasons -- took Manshoon's arm. Manshoon somehow, with one hand, escaped, got himself a mechanical prosthetic instead of a magical one or regeneration, and then stayed there in Waterdeep, right within easy reach of the guy he escaped from.

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Ras Nsi, a former human bara of Ubtao, is now a yuan-ti necromancer.

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Eh, in a game like Dungeons and Dragons - where you simply perform a ritual to a god like Bahamut, you can transform into a Dragonborn - this is short of a nothing-burger.

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Manshoon was captured and imprisoned by Halaster, who -- for reasons -- took Manshoon's arm. Manshoon somehow, with one hand, escaped, got himself a mechanical prosthetic instead of a magical one or regeneration, and then stayed there in Waterdeep, right within easy reach of the guy he escaped from.

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Look at it like this - the mechanical arm wouldn't be subjected to spells like Dispel Magic and Regeneration takes a while, not to mention finding a Cleric of a high enough level that would cast the spell on him to begin with and not know who they're helping. Also, isn't there some saying that you keep your friends close but your enemies closer? Seems like Manshoon would stay close even as a to remain more easily hidden, it's not something like a mad-wizard such as Halaster would think of? Practical? Not really, but it's plausable.

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Ras Nsi, a former human bara of Ubtao, is now a yuan-ti necromancer.

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Eh, in a game like Dungeons and Dragons - where you simply perform a ritual to a god like Bahamut, you can transform into a Dragonborn - this is short of a nothing-burger.

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It's problematic because it would have been easier to just make a yuan-ti necromancer, rather than take an established NPC and force him into some weird mold he was never meant to fit. Instead of creating something new, they opted to take something already existent and twist it into something beyond recognition.

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Manshoon was captured and imprisoned by Halaster, who -- for reasons -- took Manshoon's arm. Manshoon somehow, with one hand, escaped, got himself a mechanical prosthetic instead of a magical one or regeneration, and then stayed there in Waterdeep, right within easy reach of the guy he escaped from.

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Look at it like this - the mechanical arm wouldn't be subjected to spells like Dispel Magic and Regeneration takes a while, not to mention finding a Cleric of a high enough level that would cast the spell on him to begin with and not know who they're helping. Also, isn't there some saying that you keep your friends close but your enemies closer? Seems like Manshoon would stay close even as a to remain more easily hidden, it's not something like a mad-wizard such as Halaster would think of? Practical? Not really, but it's plausable.

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If someone captures and maims you, it doesn't make sense to hide in his backyard. A wizard as powerful as Halaster isn't going to take long to find someone hiding a mile away.

And it's Manshoon. Even if he didn't want to regenerate, he's got a quick, ready-made option for coming back hale and hearty. He doesn't even have to waste an existing clone: cast his Manshoon is a cockroach spell, make a new clone, off himself, and boom, two arms. Or, wake a clone and create a new one to replace it immediately afterward.

It's another case where they would have been better off just coming up with a new NPC, and instead decided to do something bizarre with an existing one. In both cases, they had the opportunity to make something new, and opted to just grab whatever was handy and force it into a weird shape.

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Originally posted by Gyor

I still think we are getting a tie in FRCG type book as a tie into the MtG Forgotten Realms set, partly because its clear we are shifting into the next phase of 5e with alot of changes.

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I still think we are getting a tie in FRCG type book as a tie into the MtG Forgotten Realms set, partly because its clear we are shifting into the next phase of 5e with alot of changes.

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I'd love to share your optimism, but I don't see this as anything other than just another crossover between properties -- much like the D&D My Little Pony figures.

Until someone in the know -- a designer or a WotC staffer -- says otherwise, I'm not going to read too much into this.

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Originally posted by keftiu

I do have to wonder; with how much they seem to have hinted at Spelljammer in 5e, that might preclude an MtG crossover, as non-planeswalkers moving between worlds is impossible currently.

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I do have to wonder; with how much they seem to have hinted at Spelljammer in 5e, that might preclude an MtG crossover, as non-planeswalkers moving between worlds is impossible currently.

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For instance, and I'm pulling this from memory mind you, I believe they had stated at the time that Dark Sun was in its own crystal sphere, but that crossing the barrier that separated the phlogiston to Dark Sun's "interior" of its crystal sphere was impossible.

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Similarly, as written, travel from the Phlogiston to Abeir isn't in theory possible (i.e. you could transfer into "realmspace", but not "Abeir space"). There's also the idea that new crystal spheres are "born", and perhaps such places go through a phase where their "shell" isolates the interior (and for all we know, Abeir may be a growing "young" crystal sphere... for 30+ millenia). Perhaps many of the MtG worlds are this kind of "budding" crystal sphere that's "hard" to cross the shell with normal spelljamming magic, such that planeswalkers can do it, but not others.

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Originally posted by Rils

The set just coming out, Zendikar Rising, also introduces the new "party" mechanic: "If you have a Cleric, Rogue, Warrior and Wizard in play, X happens." And then there are both generic and named-character cards which have one or more of those subtypes, so you can actually build an adventuring party. It's reasonable to assume this will continue into a FR-themed set.

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Originally posted by PattPlays

I'm curious what the core planeswalker representation will be on the cards. If the FR set is a core set, they are going to have planeswalkers. Will Multiverse planeswalkers arrive into Toril to see things? (just as they do in all other worlds they visit) Or will Realmslore characters be portrayed as Planeswalkers? I haven't gone deep into the MTG supplements for 5e much yet, and I'm curious where post-sundering planeswalkers line up against Leveled Spellcasting. I mean, Planeshift is a 7th level spell, but planeshifting with unlimited capabilities without needing any material components at all is certaintly outside of the ordinary and doesn't explicitly scream epic level magic. (Pre sundering though, well, imagine an Elimnster-like elevated spellcaster with epic casting and add in some sci-fi morally abhorrent eugenic megalomania with literal god-complex and you kind of have Urza?)

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