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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 27 Oct 2020 :  22:50:33  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Look at the first quote you made and realize you are ONLY seeing what you want to see:

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Mortals cannot directly shape raw magic. Instead, most who wield magic make use of the Weave. The Weave is the manifestation of raw magic, a kind of interface between the will of a spellcaster and the stuff of raw magic.(3rd Ed. FRCS, pg.55)


Your whole argument is consistently locked in your own thinking and not SEEING what others are writing. MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.

After that your argument is moot.

The Old Grey Box and AD&D for me!

Edited by - Dalor Darden on 27 Oct 2020 22:59:40
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cpthero2
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Posted - 27 Oct 2020 :  23:13:14  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great Reader Darden,

Thank you for your reply!

quote:
Look at the first quote you made and realize you are ONLY seeing what you want to see:
quote:
Mortals cannot directly shape raw magic. Instead, most who wield magic make use of the Weave. The Weave is the manifestation of raw magic, a kind of interface between the will of a spellcaster and the stuff of raw magic.(3rd Ed. FRCS, pg.55)



There is no small amount of irony in there. Out of that entire rebuttal, you respond to one sentence of a quote alone. That point you are making is specifically addressed in my counter-claim throughout my rebuttal, which is heavily predicated upon the notion of "ever-present energies."

Effectively, it is evidence suppression, or colloquially referred to as "cherry-picking": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherry%20picking%2C%20suppressing%20evidence%2C%20or,that%20may%20contradict%20that%20position.

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Your whole argument is consistently locked in your own thinking and not SEEING what others are writing. MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.


I am quite glad to address this rebuttal from you as well. Thank you for the opportunity.

The notion of
quote:
MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.
was addressed by me in identifying that the OTHERS are not accessing another structure of magic, they are accessing the same platform of magic, using different forms.

I'd definitely interested in hearing your thoughts on that.

Best regards,

Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
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cpthero2
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Posted - 07 Nov 2020 :  18:13:39  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Senior Scribe TheIriaeban,

I forgot to mention that I very much liked your consideration of garnering power from some other process of harnessing that energy. In fact, in another scroll I was just commenting on [Earth's Similarities to the Realms, http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23657&whichpage=2], I was commenting on how cross-pollination, or rather the lack of it, was interesting. This just made me think if gaining access to magic from another location might be possible? That would be a huge issue with magic in the Realms for sure, from a power position perspective.

Best regards,





Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
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