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ElfBane
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 23 Apr 2020 : 08:57:49
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What calendar did Netheril use? And do the Netheril descendants, i.e. Halruua and Nimbral, use it?
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Apr 2020 : 12:13:04
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| The Netherse used Nether Reckoning, when the seven fishing villages on the southern shore of the Narrow Sea formed their alliance. I do not know if Halruuans et al. use this calendar. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 24 Apr 2020 : 00:12:28
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| 2E Arcane Ages: Netheril Empire of Magic explained the calendar, history, and "ages" of ancient Netheril. Subsequent lore elaborated somewhat but remained essentially unchanged. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2020 : 03:18:16
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Given that Netheril wasn't really a unified nation, a common calendar is unlikely.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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ElfBane
Learned Scribe
USA
275 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2020 : 09:59:19
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| Well, I guess I'll use NY (Nether year). I was wondering if the actual calendar had different months from the Harptos calendar, but I can deal with it. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 21:14:08
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Learned Scribe ElfBane,
Yeah, that is curious about the months from calendar systems existing before DR. They likely did use the ten-day model, but it makes one wonder what the months were called before then? They were highly advanced and civilized societies.
Best regards,
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Higher Atlar
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 02:03:44
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Learned Scribe ElfBane,
Yeah, that is curious about the months from calendar systems existing before DR. They likely did use the ten-day model, but it makes one wonder what the months were called before then? They were highly advanced and civilized societies.
Best regards,
That's the kind of information the designer for the Netheril boxed set should have included, but didn't. Among many other things, like ... I don't know ... a system of government!
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
Edited by - George Krashos on 15 Sep 2020 02:07:52 |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 02:06:59
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Master Krashos,
Well, a system of government is one thing that was overlooked, but also, what kinds of things, i.e. economics, they did to make their realm go round. Frankly, as I've sadly come to discover over the years of delving into things relating to Netheril is that it was not well written. It's too huge of a piece of the history pie, and to interesting to gloss over in the ways that they did.
You know if there are any plans to go back to it and get it all squared away? I would guess not with WotC's desire to not commit to anything that can get them in trouble or cost them more in wages for authors, etc.
Best regards,
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Edited by - cpthero2 on 15 Sep 2020 06:21:02 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 03:20:55
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Originally posted by George Krashos
quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2
Learned Scribe ElfBane,
Yeah, that is curious about the months from calendar systems existing before DR. They likely did use the ten-day model, but it makes one wonder what the months were called before then? They were highly advanced and civilized societies.
Best regards,
That's the kind of information the designer for the Netheril boxed set should have included, but didn't. Among many other thins, like ... I don't know ... a system of government!
-- George Krashos
Government? Who wants to read about that when we could read about heavy magic?  |
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PattPlays
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 03:36:11
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Many ancient cultures existed on Earth without recorded systems of power, while still engaging in a practically global trade environment across dozens of languages and environments. I believe it is entirely biased of us to assume either crystal sphere contained no sense of time-keeping from harvest to harvest simply because nobody was around to claim an empire yet. I'm sure the economics of the area tracked time somehow. Whether it would mean anything to us however is hard to tell. Although after the empire proper was founded, who knows? If it was a command economy down to every magical grain (akin to Earth's Kingdoms of Egypt) then time-keeping specific to that would have certainly began being traced.
However the cultural battles internal to the Netherese empire, and I am an amateur on the sbuject, are something of note. Perhaps those who became obsessed with the Nether Scrolls may have intentionally or unintentionally pushed to replace their agrarian and economic time-keeping strategies in favor for inheriting some ancient time-keeping ways from those they inherited their magic from?
I mean, the ball-park for the Days Of Thunder had to be claimed by someone. Perhaps High Netheril tried to appropriate some more mystical way of keeping time?
Practical trade calendars or clandestine myth calendars- either kind is one not likely to be preserved by time. Apologies if my waxing is off topic. |
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 03:55:45
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It has this on page 5 of The Winds of Netheril:
"A few years later, however, King Nether renamed the kingdom Netheril‚ which meant Nether’s Land. He demanded more and more tribute from the united villages, and many feared that Seventon would collapse. The citizens from the united villages cried out in protest, and the future for the kingdom began to look very dim. "
the second paragraph after the above:
"The Netherese chose a new form of government—one based loosely on democracy. They had a single king whose surviving firstborn was destined to take the place of the elder, but the leaders of each village had a single vote. The vote of the king was worth five votes, however, giving him more political clout than any single leader."
That would give another reason why each archmage afterwards wanted their own city: they got to have a vote in their government. |
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AJA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 04:00:17
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Originally posted by George Krashos
That's the kind of information the designer for the Netheril boxed set should have included, but didn't. Among many other things, like ... I don't know ... a system of government!
Ed's tweet of
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In 1e/2e D&D, the Common Tongue in the game was design-considered to be English. Hammer and Flamerule were the Common names for "Hamaer" and "Flaenrûl," respectively, and had 'taken over' in Faerûnian daily usage.
might be options for a Netherese calendar? Perhaps someone could Twitter at him to see if he has more on the subject.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 06:42:04
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Learned Scribe PattPlays,
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Although after the empire proper was founded, who knows?
Well, we do have some good reference points that clearly demonstrate economic policy in the vein and through the lens of medieval society at least:
- –3419 DR to –3416 DR The Netherese approach the dwarves of Delzoun at Ascore to conduct trade.
After three years of deliberation, a trade route known as the Lowroad running through the safest and most heavily patrolled sections of the Underdark, linking Delzoun to Netherese towns, is established. - –3373 DR King Azkuldar of Ammarindar initiates trade relations with the magic-wielding humans of Netheril.
- –2758 DR Netheril’s government evolves into a council called the High Mages of Netheril, which includes the leading arcanists of Low and High Netheril. — The Netherese establish the mines of Dekanter. [–1658]
- –2387 DR Netheril releases all its gnome slaves.
That's just a few that I found of their economic development. I think it spells out that they had a robust economy, and clearly had it focused to fund their likely expensive way of life. Also of note is the ditching of slaves at a certain point. You don't get rid of free labor unless you're rich (not supporting the abhorrent notion of slavery, just making a valid point here).
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PattPlays
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 07:36:44
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Learned Scribe PattPlays,
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Although after the empire proper was founded, who knows?
Well, we do have some good reference points that clearly demonstrate economic policy in the vein and through the lens of medieval society at least:
- –3419 DR to –3416 DR The Netherese approach the dwarves of Delzoun at Ascore to conduct trade.
After three years of deliberation, a trade route known as the Lowroad running through the safest and most heavily patrolled sections of the Underdark, linking Delzoun to Netherese towns, is established. - –3373 DR King Azkuldar of Ammarindar initiates trade relations with the magic-wielding humans of Netheril.
- –2758 DR Netheril’s government evolves into a council called the High Mages of Netheril, which includes the leading arcanists of Low and High Netheril. — The Netherese establish the mines of Dekanter. [–1658]
- –2387 DR Netheril releases all its gnome slaves.
That's just a few that I found of their economic development. I think it spells out that they had a robust economy, and clearly had it focused to fund their likely expensive way of life. Also of note is the ditching of slaves at a certain point. You don't get rid of free labor unless you're rich (not supporting the abhorrent notion of slavery, just making a valid point here).
Best regards,
Ah, Ammarindar and Ascore... The area between The High Forest and Anauroch is so deeply sewn in realmslore.. Thanks for sharing! |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Sep 2020 : 07:46:57
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Learned Scribe PattPlays,
Always my pleasure! I loved some of those ideas you shared in private chat by the way. Great stuff!
Definitely check out the Phoenix Prophecies too. That is some of my most favorite stuff.
Best regards,
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Higher Atlar
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HellixHarpell
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 19 Mar 2022 : 14:34:34
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Master Krashos,
You know if there are any plans to go back to it and get it all squared away? I would guess not with WotC's desire to not commit to anything that can get them in trouble or cost them more in wages for authors, etc.
If I have anything to do with it they will. |
The symbols of mythology are not manufactured; they cannot be ordered, invented, or permanently suppressed. They are spontaneous productions of the psyche.
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