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Gary Dallison
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 May 2019 : 22:51:33
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I always disliked those “could be set anywhere” novels. If they were writing a Star Wars novel, they would never have got away with that.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2019 : 11:05:16
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Came to the mention of eladrin in the Moonshaes lore, still annoyed with the travesty that 4e did by altering eladrin into something else and elves into this new eladrin.
However, i've decided to mix the two together. I've come up with two branches (so far) of these humanoid fey creatures. The Selah-Drine and the Elah-Drine.
The Selah-Drine are the original, the most powerful, they are the lords of the Plane of Faeree, they are immortal and superpowerful. The LeShay belong to the Selah-Drine (so too did the beings that would become the Seldarine - hence the name similarity).
The Selah-Drine created the Elah-Drine in their own image, they are powerful and specialised in various aspects of nature (fire, ice, earth, wind, lightning, spring, summer, winter, etc). They are organised into tribes, the bralani, the ghaele, the firre, the tulani, etc. The elves were once Elah-Drine. They escaped to Faerun and over time diminished in power as they were away from the Plane of Faeree.
So Karador will have Elahdrin but they will be of the various different groups from 2e and 3e. They look like elves (reading the 3e descriptions they say they look like elves), but they are more powerful and more fey like.
Elves are still elves, they were once eladrin many tens of thousands of years ago, but now they are just elves. The older elves are more powerful (as cormanthyr empire of elves alludes to - they can see magic, they live longer, etc) and the younger ones are more and more mixed with human blood so they are further diminished. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2019 : 19:09:49
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Read up on races of faerun to try and get an idea of illuskan society so I can flesh out gnarhelm.
I found that the illuskans detailed therein matched almost exactly to the northmen, but doesn't really match up with the populations of waterdeep, the savage frontier, etc.
Apparently illuskans respect only strength, love to fight, and don't like magic.
Now there are illuskans like that, the uthgar are part illuskan and match that perfectly, the islanders operate like that, but stornanter was ruled by a wizardess, waterdeep is filled with magic users and the illuskans aren't fighting all the time, more importantly they aren't expanding very much either despite their warlike nature.
I'm beginning to think that the islanders are the illuskans as depicted in races of faerun, but those on the sword coast have been civilised and now contain a large portion of tethyrian ancestry (which value family above all).
So perhaps mainland illuskans value power above all else (be that martial, or magic, or political) and their tethyrian mixing means they are fiercely loyal to their groups which gives rise to guild rivalries and street gangs and other group warfare (explains the guild wars in waterdeep and the gangs in luskan).
So gnarhelm being founded by stornanter refugees is mostly civilised illuskan so they have more black hair than fair. They are heavily fictionalised (so the nation keeps splitting into 3 duchies run by powerful noble families), and they are happy to farm and mine and do magic as long as it makes them powerful (in their own mind) but they don't engage in external warfare all that often, instead fighting internally for more power. The northmen of the other islands think the people of gnarhelm are soft and weak cousins. |
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Gary Dallison
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 28 May 2019 : 20:30:02
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quote: Originally posted by Gary Dallison
The novels at first glance provide a similar lack of information on Gnarhelm as elsewhere in the Moonshae Isles.
Prince Brandon wears a horned helm, the royal helm of his clan. Makes sense for it to be an item brought from stornanter, magical.
Of course vikings did not wear horns on their helmets, so i've not made the northmen have them thus far. A horned helmet would make the warriors of Gnarhelm different but i need a reason as to why it is horned.
Horned helmets can be used as weapons. (See dwarven battle ragers in Drizzt books and there were stats in one of the old splatbooks.)
Horned helmets likely represent some mythical horned beast.
Maybe the Faerunian Leviathian (see Elder Evils book) has horns?
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-- http://www.ericlboyd.com/dnd/ |
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Gary Dallison
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 29 May 2019 : 10:16:02
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Gnarhelm seems to have little appetite for raising in the source books or novels, they work in the fields, mines, and fishing. So they seem to be much less aggressive than the northmen of norland, Oman, and norheim. They also engage in trade with callidyrr, trading metal for something (presumably food as their food production is limited which in turn affects their population). I'm thinking that gnarhelm is the trading gateway for the other northmen islands. I figure most traders would avoid norland, norheim, and Oman for the fear of being raided or attacked. If you aren't strong enough you are liable to lose your cargo and your freedom (enslaved). Gnarhelm however seems quite civilised so people trade with them and then they in turn trade with the northmen.
Other things are the tripartite nature of gnarhelm kingdom, it seems to be made of three major regions, each of which vie for control of the throne. I'm considering three major noble families, each related to the first king. The nobles and their young sons are eager to prove their place in society and so engage in constant civil strife with each other for control of the throne. That's how the storm knight and his followers gain traction among the young nobility and persuade them to become guerilla fighters in their own country. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 May 2019 : 13:16:05
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The entry on the northmen of Gnarhelm in the 1e Moonshaes book, telling they are not unlike other northmen in behavior but are more prone to ride, makes me think of Tolkien's Rohirrim. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be fought for to be attained and maintained. Lead by example. Let your deeds speak your intentions. Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph" (by Ed Greenwood) |
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Gary Dallison
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Gary Dallison
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2019 : 22:19:55
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Or perhaps it was built a long time ago when there were forests on Gnarhelm and stands as a relic and status symbol for the ruler of the isle.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2019 : 08:43:45
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quote: Originally posted by Gary Dallison
So Alexei is thayan and cyndre trained in thay (making him mulan at least and likely thayan).
I find the idea that the sahuagin of kressilacc worship bhaal to be utterly preposterous, cant think of any way to twist that so I might just ignore it completely
They don't know they are worshipping Bhaal. They think they are worshipping Koraxis "the Ravening Maw", a deific guise Bhaal uses to divert sahuagin worship from Sekolah.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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