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mhamza
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13 Aug 2014 : 01:11:40
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Since Asmodeus' rise to divinity in 4e I've been wondering why he didn't go ahead and try to destroy Gargauth. He kicked the Tenth Lord of the Nine out of the Hells forever so wouldn't it have been better to finish the job or did he see an eventual use for Gargauth like with Levistus when he encased him in ice forever?
Also before Asmodeus' ascension Gargauth was a demi-power, why didn't Gargauth try to destroy Asmodeus then, wouldn't he have a grudge against the King of the Hells for kicking him out to begin with?
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Edited by - mhamza on 13 Aug 2014 13:12:07
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 13 Aug 2014 : 13:52:40
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Evil powerfull beings often feel superior over others, despite how intelligent or cunning they are. So maybe Asmodeus didn't see any threat in Gargauth anymore and wanted him to suffer his loss of title instead of just destroying him.
As to why Gargauth not trying to destroy Asmodeus, Asmodeus allways was very powerfull and far ahead of the other devils, even before becoming a god. |
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Shemmy
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Posted - 13 Aug 2014 : 15:49:52
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| Ignoring that it made zero sense for Asmodeus to desire godhood in the first place (yay forcing 4e core flavor onto other settings...), Asmodeus was, within the Hells, more powerful than the gods that had divine domains there. 2e and 3e were rather explicit on this. Similarly archfiends in general had a sort of home field advantage over gods (see Set and Levistus's squabble, Pale Night and Lolth, etc) |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Aug 2014 : 15:53:38
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Gargauth as a demipower was only marginally more powerful than Asmodeus as an archfiend and Asmodeus had access to much greater resources.
As for why Asmodeus didn't destroy him when he achieved apotheosis, I don't think any of us can say for certain. Ask a designer - Steven Schend maybe. |
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mhamza
Seeker
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Posted - 13 Aug 2014 : 17:31:00
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Originally posted by Shemmy
Ignoring that it made zero sense for Asmodeus to desire godhood in the first place (yay forcing 4e core flavor onto other settings...), Asmodeus was, within the Hells, more powerful than the gods that had divine domains there. 2e and 3e were rather explicit on this. Similarly archfiends in general had a sort of home field advantage over gods (see Set and Levistus's squabble, Pale Night and Lolth, etc)
I suppose you're right, the only reason I can think of is because Ol' Azzy would have probably been backed up by every other Archfiend since Asmodeus would be a better overlord than the guy famous for being so evil devils want nothing to do with him.
As for Asmodeus' godhood, I'm of the opinion that when Azuth found himself on a one-way trip to the Nine Hells, Asmodeus realized what happened to Mystra and decided to absorb the Lord of Spells so he can have a bargaining chip the next time she was inevitably resurrected and came to get her servant back. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2014 : 22:40:40
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You could be sure that Gargy wouldnt go down without a fight. Nominal divine status aside, Asmodeus would likely need to invest significant effort, power, and resources into such a conflict - and doing so would force his attention away from Baalzebub, Mephistopheles, and other competitors/enemies within his Hellish politics.
At last I disagree with Shemmy! I think it does make sense for Asmodeus to strive towards accumulating divine power, then leveraging such power to secure and expand his holdings against adversaries. True, he is already supremely powerful and ancient, becoming a proper god might subject him to the same dependency on followers which all gods must endure. But more power is moar power, and perhaps it would strengthen Hell, eliminate rivals, and finally insure victory in the eternal Blood War?
That being said, it does seem senseless for Asmodeus to eat one minor godling then halt his ambitions. Go big or go home, consume as much divine energy from as many worlds as possible. It isnt just a oneupmanship contest vs Mephistopheles, its an entirely larger battlefield which plays for grander prizes. I do agree with Shemmy that 4E Asmodeus makes no sense insofar as Asmodeus initiated so much then just sat around doing nothing unusual. A guy like him should know how to aggressively manipulate power for maximum gain, an unused weapon is a useless weapon which acts only as a burden and liability. |
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Lilianviaten
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Posted - 18 Aug 2014 : 14:05:23
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| Asmodeus doesn't destroy his enemies. Why end their suffering when he can torture them for eternity? Just look at his track record. For killing his wife, he froze Levistus in a giant block of ice. For betraying him during the Reckoning, he turned Baalzebul into a giant slug, and he turned Mammon into a serpent. And not to forget the numerous archdevils he has exiled, such as Malkizid and Nergal. |
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A few questions on Asmodeus and Gargauth...
