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Lilianviaten
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Posted - 01 Feb 2014 :  06:53:58  Show Profile Send Lilianviaten a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_

Deneir believes that the metatext contains all information, but that doesn't have to be true and even if it is, Deneir is only studying it so he could only provide information through his song if he allready aquired it by himself.
But even then its very hard for mortals to comprehend the information given by the song of deneir and many of his priest died while diving to deep into it, so Cadderly could die too if he tries to hard.

As said before its very hard to believe that a lesser deity can give his follower far more power then major ones can.



We have canon to support the idea that the chosen of Lesser deities can be just as powerful as the chosen of Greater deities. Consider Paul Kemp's books. Mask was never a Greater deity, but he had 5 Chosen, and the most powerful of them (Erevis Cale) proved equal in power to Rivalen (Chosen of Shar and 2,000 year old archmage).

Also, Matron Yvonnel Baenre was as powerful as any cleric we've seen, and Lolth was only an Intermediate deity while Yvonnel was alive. Obould (Chosen of Gruumsh), on the other hand, wasn't very powerful considering Gruumsh's status as a Greater deity. Pretty much every Chosen we've seen would defeat Obould.

We've even seen examples (like with Mask and Mystra) where gods have several Chosen, who vary considerably in power level. And herein lies the answer to our question. Mask made his first Chosen (Kesson Rel) a demigod. But since Kesson went insane and became a giant headache, Mask never gave another Chosen that much power.

So I think it depends on the deity. Some deities are more trusting than others, so they might be willing to give more power. Or if deities have particularly urgent designs in the mortal realm, they might give their followers more power to carry out their plans.
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Nilus Reynard
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Posted - 14 Oct 2019 :  09:47:38  Show Profile Send Nilus Reynard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Qilu Veladorn, in addition to being a powerful priestess, was a Chosen of Mystra.



Exactly what I was thinking.

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GRYPHON
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Posted - 07 Dec 2020 :  02:07:39  Show Profile Send GRYPHON a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would also go with Fzoul Chembryl.
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Delnyn
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Posted - 07 Dec 2020 :  05:27:27  Show Profile Send Delnyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And a Chosen of Eilistraee at the same time.

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Qilu Veladorn, in addition to being a powerful priestess, was a Chosen of Mystra.

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Delnyn
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Posted - 07 Dec 2020 :  05:33:10  Show Profile Send Delnyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In 2E Seven Sisters book, yes.

quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

Wasn't Qilue like 16th level?

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Delnyn
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Posted - 07 Dec 2020 :  06:07:39  Show Profile Send Delnyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The answer is, "We have woefully insufficient information, but Cadderly almost certainly is not the most powerful cleric ever."
When we use the word "ever", that implies one heck of a blank check. We would have to reckon back to the Blue Age before Abeir-Toril (not Toril) froze over. We do not even reliably know what races thrived during those times, save perhaps the aboleth.

Proceeding thousands of years later into the Days of Thunder with saruukh, batrachi and aeree clerics. Sarrukh even without class levels were powerful individuals. Then came the Tearfall and the rise of giants and dragons. Dragons were far more religious in those days and they mean serious business.

Then came the elves, and Elven High Magic was not exclusively an arcane discipline. The gate that led the gold elves from Tintageer to Toril was opened and sustained by Bonnalurie, a priestess of Sehanine Moonbow. And, no, Cadderly is not ever going to cast Elven High Magic.

Cadderly "Danny" Bonaduce is powerful, but I am not convinced he is at the top of the clerical food chain.

quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

Do you think Cadderly Bonaduce is the most powerful cleric ever? I mean in game terms, he could cast any cleric spell on the fly, on top of all of his other abilities.

Discuss.

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sfdragon
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Posted - 07 Dec 2020 :  16:10:57  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
op question is too vague. Do you mean most powerful cleric in general or most powerful of the chosen.

I would wonder who is the most powerful cleric outside of any chosen

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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