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Lilianviaten
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 :  23:43:54  Show Profile Send Lilianviaten a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Lilianviaten



Dragons are very impressive and engaging creatures, but I just couldn't. I remember when Jarlaxle was sleeping with that dragon in "Road of the Patriarch", and Entreri was appalled by the idea. Even if she's disguised as a beautiful woman, the thought of her being able to consume me in her natural form would ruin any possible attraction.



That would add to the allure, for some people... I think most people -- especially in the heat of the moment -- would be more inclined to think of the current appearance of their partner, not what their partner looks like at other times.



Touche. The here and now does tend to overwhelm the senses.
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Ayrik
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Posted - 08 Nov 2013 :  23:37:34  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Back to dwarves ...

I do recall a few mentions of male dwarves shaving their mighty beards, perhaps saving only two single strands, as a sign of extreme shame or penance for crimes against their clans. I imagine that extremist dwarves (and really, what dwarf isn‘t extremely serious?) Might react poorly to female dwarves who shave in similar fashion.

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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 09 Nov 2013 :  17:13:03  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage Send hashimashadoo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I updated the wiki page last night with canon info from actual FR sources - none of this 4e PHB nonsense where 'it's a common misconception that females have beards'.

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BEAST
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Posted - 09 Nov 2013 :  19:24:26  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hashimashadoo

I updated the wiki page last night with canon info from actual FR sources - none of this 4e PHB nonsense where 'it's a common misconception that females have beards'.


4E: It's a common misconception that it's a common misconception . . .

"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)

<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works">
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Ayrik
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Posted - 09 Nov 2013 :  19:29:14  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Perhaps - somehow - the dwarven races were altered by the Spellplague or the 100-year timejump? It‘s reaching a bit, but nothing is impossible in the Realms.

“Canon“ is technically whatever is official and most recent, even though we might not agree with it and want our bearded dwarven ladies back! Just sayin‘ that personal bias (and even vehement rejections) aside, we must reluctantly recognize 4E lore as being proper canon.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Nov 2013 :  23:52:11  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Perhaps - somehow - the dwarven races were altered by the Spellplague or the 100-year timejump? It‘s reaching a bit, but nothing is impossible in the Realms.

“Canon“ is technically whatever is official and most recent, even though we might not agree with it and want our bearded dwarven ladies back! Just sayin‘ that personal bias (and even vehement rejections) aside, we must reluctantly recognize 4E lore as being proper canon.



But setting-specific lore trumps core lore. And in 4E FR lore, we have this, which I quoted earlier, from page 14 of the 4E Forgotten Realms Player's Guide:

quote:
They wear their black to dark brown hair long, and males (and rarely females) sport long beards, carefully oiled and groomed.


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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 10 Nov 2013 :  04:30:34  Show Profile Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pish posh - my vehement objections trump any 4th E lore :D
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Nov 2013 :  04:50:42  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Pish posh - my vehement objections trump any 4th E lore :D



I'm not fan of 4E, either... But as I quoted a few days ago, 2E FR-specific lore, 3E FR-specific lore, and 4E FR-specific lore, all have dwarven ladies getting their beard on.

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deserk
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Posted - 10 Nov 2013 :  09:00:11  Show Profile Send deserk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've personally never been a fan of the idea of female dwarves having beards, just sounds too Lord of the Ring-sy (we don't need to pick up everything from LotR) and makes them more comical and ridiculous. I couldn't imagine any female player would be interested in playing a bearded dwarf woman either. So yeah I go with the idea that it's a rare phenomenon in my campaigns at least. Unless someone really wants to play that of course.

Edited by - deserk on 10 Nov 2013 09:01:56
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 10 Nov 2013 :  16:56:59  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage Send hashimashadoo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by deserk

I couldn't imagine any female player would be interested in playing a bearded dwarf woman either.



I played with one in the summer of this very year.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Nov 2013 :  17:13:07  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
While I'm not really into the idea of bearded woman, I do like the idea of dwarven women with beards, simply because it makes them different. It's not a huge difference, true, but it's still better than the basic "just like humans, only shorter and stockier" idea for dwarves. And the cultural aspects of beard pride are a nice variation, as well.

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BEAST
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  02:44:46  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Does <this> shed any light on the situation?

Bah! She ain't a real dwarf. She just be a wee human. A real dwarf woman would twerk her whiskers!

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Edited by - BEAST on 12 Nov 2013 19:40:00
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  05:47:37  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage Send hashimashadoo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That brings up an entirely different mental image considering the latest definition of the word 'twerking'.

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