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Therise
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:05:14  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

Those things are trolling at this point.
ErmÖno..


Troll continues to troll, such a surprise.


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Jorkens
Great Reader

Norway
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:10:19  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.

As for what WotC has said; when 5ed. comes out and the Realms of Ed Greenwood is released this might stand or it might change according to the sales. If the Realms of Ed is a huge success they will probably follow it up in some form. That is the ridiculous part of these discussions; none of us know what the h*** we are talking about here anyway as we don't know WotC's plans or numbers.

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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:14:35  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I have to agree with Dalor here.

A lot of us would love a reboot, but WE are NOT their current customers. It would be ludicrous of them to bank on us, from a business perspective. They can hope to lure us back, but they shouldn't do it by pissing off the few people still buying their products. They'd be making the same mistake twice.

I heard this morning that boardgames (and D&D should be included in this category for these purposes) are at an all-time low - less then 3% of kids today have any interest in playing them.

Also, girl-gamers (video/comp) are at an all-time high. This is the market they must cross into - make D&D (TRUE RPGing) an online experience. Give us the tools, and D&D may yet survive.



I think it'd be slick to see them partner up with Campaign Cartographer 3. Give us a base Realms map we can play with and tinker etc. The base blanks that you've made in the past are pretty sweet to use for player maps. Just put in a few locations with photoshop etc and good to go. I wonder if the code for that software could be pushed into a web app, then melded into DDI, so DM's could pick a part of the Realms out of a blank map and start filling it in and then print it out. Now that would be a slick tool to have. I think the base software is only 40 bucks or so. If they Wizards set up an affiliate offer, buy through their link, get the 3E map styles for free or something, I bet they'd sell a bunch of copies.
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Therise
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:15:46  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.


He's a self-admitted troll. He's Mr_Miscellany and Sanishiver. We've seen his opinion on this - on multiple accounts - so many times now that it's a broken record.

He posts like it's the first time any of us have ever heard his opinion, and does it over and over and over... in multiple threads.

There's no "discussion" there, just "No, you're wrong" often followed by insults or subtle character digs, or worse at times.


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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

USA
1427 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:17:00  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.

As for what WotC has said; when 5ed. comes out and the Realms of Ed Greenwood is released this might stand or it might change according to the sales. If the Realms of Ed is a huge success they will probably follow it up in some form. That is the ridiculous part of these discussions; none of us know what the h*** we are talking about here anyway as we don't know WotC's plans or numbers.



Like you say, money talks. If Ed's Realms book sells well, we're likely to see more of that type of product sooner or later. Whether it's an alternate timeline or not, it's bound to be a dead sexy product.
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Therise
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:21:39  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Like you say, money talks. If Ed's Realms book sells well, we're likely to see more of that type of product sooner or later. Whether it's an alternate timeline or not, it's bound to be a dead sexy product.


If Ed's Realms (the upcoming product) is actually a separate timeline, without the ToT and Spellplague, really and truly Greenwood's home game Realms, I will support it by buying multiple copies and giving them to friends. I'll advocate for it to supplant the current canon Realms, and constantly ask for support of it in DDI and other publications.

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Jorkens
Great Reader

Norway
2950 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:22:47  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.


He's a self-admitted troll. He's Mr_Miscellany and Sanishiver. We've seen his opinion on this - on multiple accounts - so many times now that it's a broken record.

He posts like it's the first time any of us have ever heard his opinion, and does it over and over and over... in multiple threads.

There's no "discussion" there, just "No, you're wrong" often followed by insults or subtle character digs, or worse at times.





I am painfully aware of who he is, but argumentative and repetitive is not the same as trolling; there were others making more or less the same claims as him this time though.

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Therise
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:27:38  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

... but argumentative and repetitive is not the same as trolling; there were others making more or less the same claims as him this time though.


Well, I'm bloody tired of being shouted down at every opportunity. I'm tired of seeing my fellow fans being shouted down over and over (often quite rudely) for the same thing, from the same people, for the zillionth time.

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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:28:39  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And I should prefer to move past the discussion of trolling. If it keeps up, the breather period I asked for will be forcibly implemented by locking this scroll for a time.

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Jorkens
Great Reader

Norway
2950 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:57:22  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

the version I'd seek is a combination of both that will make both sides happy enough to pick it up look at it. See Ed,s name on it first, skim through it and buy it.





Then there is also the risk that the compromise will make none happy and irritate everyone to some degree. No matter what WotC decides to do it is a gamble.

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Varl
Learned Scribe

USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  18:12:58  Show Profile Send Varl a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How the excellent and interesting changes described in Mr. Xenophon's post could be construed as wanting a system reboot I don't quite understand. I think his ideas for world evolution and change by having events unfold outside the scope of what's officially released is at the heart of why we play this game.

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Therise
Master of Realmslore

1272 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  18:18:38  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

Life's a dance you learn as you go somes times you lead and sometimes you follow- John Michael montgomery



Ugh. No.

Clearly, Life is a Highway, not a sappy C&W dance.


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Brimstone
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  19:06:10  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Right...

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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If he is Mr. Misc, he and I have butted heads many times... but we usually tend to agree with each other when we are forced to reduce our arguments down to pure logic, or when bouncing Realmslore back-and-forth. I've said this before - Trolls are not always wrong.

I think that what individuals want isn't always whats best for the IP. We had a very select group of people make all the decisions the last time, and thats why we got a Realms most fans don't like. I'm sure most of us would have gotten the same results had we been in charge; everyone wants something different out of FR, and when you try to boil it down to 2-3 very specific flavors, it just doesn't work.

There are a select few designers that 'get' The Forgotten Realms, and they could probably do a good job, but it will never be perfect, because everyone has different tastes (as it should be). All I ask at this point is for them to create quality Realmslore, whatever the era. No more creating RSEs (and other events) just to pad-out novel sales - thats damaging to the franchise.

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 :  02:34:31  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Folks, you've been asked to move past the discussion of trolls/trolling. It has nothing to do with subject of this particular scroll.

Please leave it at that.

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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 :  05:24:22  Show Profile Send Old Man Harpell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Like you say, money talks. If Ed's Realms book sells well, we're likely to see more of that type of product sooner or later. Whether it's an alternate timeline or not, it's bound to be a dead sexy product.


If Ed's Realms (the upcoming product) is actually a separate timeline, without the ToT and Spellplague, really and truly Greenwood's home game Realms, I will support it by buying multiple copies and giving them to friends. I'll advocate for it to supplant the current canon Realms, and constantly ask for support of it in DDI and other publications.



All indications are that it is a separate 'timeline' from the Shattered Realms.

This being the case, I will be buying three copies for myself (one for common use, one for the library shelf, and one shrink-wrapped and stored away, just in case), one for my son (who is presently forbidden such things at Annapolis), and badgering several friends who I know are Realms aficionados to each buy at least one copy.

This will be a far cry from 4th Edition, where I told them all that if they had a deep-seated need to look at the material, to save their money and come look at my books. I think one of them has looked through them while he was over to help me move some furniture, and he hasn't said anything about it, then or since.

Whether you consider it a 'reboot' or an 'alternate timeline', good money says that this will be the publication to put your money into.

- OMH
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Therise
Master of Realmslore

1272 Posts

Posted - 26 Jun 2012 :  05:53:14  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Old Man Harpell

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Like you say, money talks. If Ed's Realms book sells well, we're likely to see more of that type of product sooner or later. Whether it's an alternate timeline or not, it's bound to be a dead sexy product.


If Ed's Realms (the upcoming product) is actually a separate timeline, without the ToT and Spellplague, really and truly Greenwood's home game Realms, I will support it by buying multiple copies and giving them to friends. I'll advocate for it to supplant the current canon Realms, and constantly ask for support of it in DDI and other publications.



All indications are that it is a separate 'timeline' from the Shattered Realms.

This being the case, I will be buying three copies for myself (one for common use, one for the library shelf, and one shrink-wrapped and stored away, just in case), one for my son (who is presently forbidden such things at Annapolis), and badgering several friends who I know are Realms aficionados to each buy at least one copy.

This will be a far cry from 4th Edition, where I told them all that if they had a deep-seated need to look at the material, to save their money and come look at my books. I think one of them has looked through them while he was over to help me move some furniture, and he hasn't said anything about it, then or since.

Whether you consider it a 'reboot' or an 'alternate timeline', good money says that this will be the publication to put your money into.

- OMH


Excellent! And oh my Annapolis. Yes, quite restrictive, but a truly first-rate education if you're referring to what I think you're referring to. Having a kid get in there is a testament to preparation, hard work, and good parenting.


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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 :  06:12:35  Show Profile Send Old Man Harpell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Old Man Harpell

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Like you say, money talks. If Ed's Realms book sells well, we're likely to see more of that type of product sooner or later. Whether it's an alternate timeline or not, it's bound to be a dead sexy product.


If Ed's Realms (the upcoming product) is actually a separate timeline, without the ToT and Spellplague, really and truly Greenwood's home game Realms, I will support it by buying multiple copies and giving them to friends. I'll advocate for it to supplant the current canon Realms, and constantly ask for support of it in DDI and other publications.



All indications are that it is a separate 'timeline' from the Shattered Realms.

This being the case, I will be buying three copies for myself (one for common use, one for the library shelf, and one shrink-wrapped and stored away, just in case), one for my son (who is presently forbidden such things at Annapolis), and badgering several friends who I know are Realms aficionados to each buy at least one copy.

This will be a far cry from 4th Edition, where I told them all that if they had a deep-seated need to look at the material, to save their money and come look at my books. I think one of them has looked through them while he was over to help me move some furniture, and he hasn't said anything about it, then or since.

Whether you consider it a 'reboot' or an 'alternate timeline', good money says that this will be the publication to put your money into.

- OMH


Excellent! And oh my Annapolis. Yes, quite restrictive, but a truly first-rate education if you're referring to what I think you're referring to. Having a kid get in there is a testament to preparation, hard work, and good parenting.


It does indeed mean what you think. I have been told that I'm even more insufferable than normal of late. Regardless, thank you for the kind words. He's really busted his tail to get there. His players have lost a top-rate DM, but my sympathies extend only so far.

For the first time in years, I have been able to say "I want THIS for my birthday". Sire Greenwood's new book has given me great optimism for the future of our beloved Realms.

- OMH
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Thrasymachus
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt James
I don't think one should lend much weight to this commentary on previous design. Of course when you're bringing out a new product, you try to champion it over the old.



Why not just champion it over the real competitors like Warhammer and the like. Why would Wizards compete with itself? I have always found it bizarre that you couldnít go to the Wizards website, and buy any of their old products. At the bookstore if you wanted anything that didnít have Drizzit in it you have to go to Ebay.

quote:
Originally posted by Matt James

So you're view on the Realms is more important than some kid that started reading the books these past couple of years? I don't understand why is has to be an all-or-nothing approach.



quote:
Originally posted by Matt James
Posts like this is why anti-continuity bled its way into the setting. You're saying people have to like the Realms the way you do, or else it's invalid. This is the highest degree of arrogance, and not something that will ever improve/advance the setting.



To put it another way
I have been a faithful regular at this restaurant since 1987. Itís fantastic. Itís not the only place I eat, but itís the only place that I can be found faithfully once or twice a month. Over the years I found that the best dish is the Surf and Turf (read that continuity & lore). If you were to stack the dishes one on top of another it would be darn high (read that as hundreds of dollars of Dragon magazine, Dungeon Magazine, just about every novel, and Just about every Forgotten Realms product).
Now I understand good help is hard to find, and every several years a new chef will be brought in, and make his version of Surf & Turf (Read that as new editions & RSE). I roll with it, and I give it a chance. And I keep coming back even though itís not quite as good, but I am okay, because the Surf and Turf doesnít have to have salsa unless I want to go a little crazy. Remember, the first chef was the best (Read that Old Grey Box), but I stick with the restaurant because I like the ambiance (continuation of the setting), and the food isnít too much of a change.
Then one day (read that as 4E), I come in, and my favorite table is gone. The Surf and Turf is gone, and thereís new customer trying the Peanut and Jelly Sampler at the newly installed buffet, and heís still got his nose tuned up at it because itís to complicated for his palette (Read that as 4th EditionÖ simplification).
I ask whatís up, and am told the restaurant is trying to bring in new customers. Mr New Prospective Customer was walking by, and the owner talked to him for 5 minutes, and bam. He waves his arm over the new buffet and tells me Iíll love it.
Sorry, I tried. I really did. But Iíll come by occasionally and take a look at what the special are (read that as browse what products that might relate to what I am doing), and I might come in there is something that strikes me as worth it but by and by why should I be a faithful customer here?
The funny thing is we know where the Old Chef is. Hint: Heís in a library in Canada. Get him back in the kitchen; let him take the menu where he wanted it to go. I am not some bloody snob, but I donít want peanut butter and jelly leftovers from a forgotten doggie bag.

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Let me say this so it's clear: YOUR GAME IS NOT A CANON GAME. The second you create characters, your game isn't canon, because those characters don't exist in the actual canon sourcebooks. If they do someday get "canonized," and they're exactly the way you ran them, and/or the events of your game make it into a sourcebook, then and only then were you running (past-tense) a canon game.



Actually my game runs on top of a canon setting. They run on top of a consistent background. The background that is presented is built on hundreds of dollars of products. My expectation is that new product fits neatly onto the existing material. Like a map edge neatly lines up with another map edge. Itís bizarre that I have to point out that I mean this in a figurative and literal sense.
For my part if I decide to edit my map thatís on me, but as professionals who make money off selling these products, well - yes, I have an expectation that latest professional map lines up with the last professional map.
If the setting is not continuous what exactly is my incentive to continue with it? And if the stance taken is that these New Editions donít have to line up with previous versions, then why not just go all in and make it another setting entirely?
Ahhh, but WotC did that. They called it Eberron. I canít say definitively how thatís going, but I can tell you itís not on the bookshelves at my bookstore.
But letís say thatís unfair. Then why not put out yet another separate setting? A brand new map per se. One without those complicated topo lines, or even an arrow pointing north. A new map only with colors found in a Crayola box. Kidding aside. Give the new customers what they want, but donít make me subsidize it. It also strikes me as odd that newcomers complain about too much lore, when they canít buy the old lore. For example, you can only find the OGB used on Ebay.

I buy new product for the few bits of lore I might get out of it. Mere crumbs at this point made enjoyable by some very talented authors. But I believe Iíll have a use for it as a timeline to be prevented by heroes. So I am still buying, just not everything the way I had been, and now with an intention I really never expected.

quote:
Originally posted by Matt James

This thread is of no use to anyone who is forging their own path in the Realms, yes?



Itís useful to me in that Iíll pull a win out of this either way. Iíll wave these editions at my OGB players via future-seeing crystal ball, and say ďSee, go through the time gate, kill Cyric as a mortal, or this will happen.Ē
If the reboot happens thereís my new fixed timeline. If not, Iíll do it myself. Because I am looking at 64 pages of ďOne Canon, One Story, One Realms (5e)Ē, and the scientists answer to fixing this Frankenstein monster is to bring back the old iron neck bolts for the new brass ones, which causes consternation for another scientist who wants copper neck bolts. But no matter; letís move on to discuss replacing those hands with claws, which opens a new debate about how many digits on each claw and how long are the nails.
At 64 pages it seems clear to me thatÖ SURPRISEÖactually things can be made worse by trying to fix 4E. Once you mash a square-shaped setting a round hole, trying to mash it back into itís original square is pretty amazing but go ahead.
FWIW as much as I disagree with the "One Realms" solution, I appreciate Erik and James taking the time to discuss their Point of view.
But IMHO Wizards should go both routes.
Carry on 4th Edition into 5th
AND
Do a separate line with a reboot to OGB or thereabouts.


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snotereceorlas
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Publishing Realms-based novels


Sorry to take so long to reply. Wonít bore you with the details but I have a definitely-not-D&D-loving wife whose reactions need managing (ie: I canít play all the time or get on the forums as much as I would like. I know that sounds badÖ).

Furthermore... I hope people don't mind me just putting this post up almost out of nowhere (last mentioned on p18).

Thank you Matt James, Wooly Rupert and Lord Karsus for taking time to make helpful replies.

I might have been hurt by your reply Venger, if I wouldnít have been tempted to think like you did in your position. It would have been a shame if I had been offended since I've found myself in agreement with your posts. It did occur to me that the post might seem a bit whacky but I had hoped that the way I wrote it might give some indication that I was being serious.

Anyway thatís not important.

I should say straight out that I have a novel in another genre that so far has the green light but needs a lot of work to complete. A lot. My brother has six novels out already in the UK (one is available in German and Spanish) and we are going to the book launch of his seventh on Saturday (my wife is away so thatís two hours of gaming time down the pan). His position makes it easier for me to get stuff looked at. So I am serious. This makes the advice of Wooly Rupert and Matt James to the point Ė get established elsewhere first.

The fact is I really AM serious about the realms and writing a story set there. I think we are a bit out of the loop in the UK (well probably a lot actually) so it would be even harder to get noticed. Like I don't think i'll bump into Ed Greenwood at a conference over here and as far as I am aware RA Salvatore has no plans to come and visit. (And why should he? He doesnít need to.)

I had understood that unsolicited fiction set in already established worlds will be entertained. The information on writers guidelines is unchanged since 2007 http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/writersguidelines

I wrote the stuff in the very beginning for my two eldest sons, and as I wrote it up into an first draft that might be acceptable to a publisher I realised I wanted to be clear it was for the normal adult D&D audience. So the work so far, Lord Karsus, was done for pleasure and there is more to do (so your concern not to waste time was quite in place). In fact my eldest son urged me to make some attempt to get it into print since he has been following the ups and downs of the realms almost as keenly as I have.

At the uging of my eldest son I do game FoW (we have a very fine and extensive US 2nd Armored Division) and we are all looking forward to the new Bolt Action rules. For myself I have embarrassingly large Roman, medieval and AWI collections of figures and a growing ACW one.

So thanks for the answers. I really do appreciate it. Now Iíve found the forum and discussions like this some of my anxieties are gone. The Realms and D&D are, for me, almost inseparable. So letís raise a flagon and hope we get our Realms back!

Andrew
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AryalůmŽ
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I'm all for a reboot back to 2e.
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LordXenophon
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quote:
Originally posted by Erendriel Durothil

I'm all for a reboot back to 2e.



Hear, hear!


There seems to be a bit of confusion about whether I would ever buy new Forgotten Realms materials. The answer is, it depends on what they publish.

I am simply NOT in the market for a new core book that contradicts what my campaign is based on. History is history. It's too late to change it.

I AM in the market for completely new material that fits in to what I already have. If they want my money, there are plenty of ways they can get it. There are still lots of blank spots on the map, monsters we don't know enough about, billions of player-created spells and items they could make official, and quite a few playable races that could use their own handbooks. The Arcane Age is full of locations which would make awesome dungeons in a Forgotten Realms campaign, if anyone ever finds the ruins. Elminster's Ecologies don't cover even 1% of what they could cover and neither do Volo's Guides. The various orders and minions of the other religions haven't been detailed any where near as well as those of Mystra and Iyachtu Xvim. There's more than enough opportunity to publish without a reset, right there.

And that doesn't even cover the one area where I think WotC is doing better than TSR did - adventure modules. WotC has always been good at cranking out the adventures and they can sell a good module to any of us. I don't mind having to convert it to 2e and match it to my established history, if it's good enough.

One other thing I have to say - accusing other people of trolling is in itself a form of trolling. Please don't do it.

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Edited by - LordXenophon on 27 Jun 2012 01:33:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Erendriel Durothil

I'm all for a reboot back to 2e.



My ideal Realms would be rebooted to the day after Cloak & Dagger.

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quote:
Originally posted by Erendriel Durothil

I'm all for a reboot back to 2e.



Got my vote!
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Why wouldn't an earlier time-period work? Like the pre-1e (Edwardian) Realms? You know - the ones the knights of Myth Drannor adventured in, and Alusair was a little girl (and still very much alive, DAMMIT).

That doesn't have to invalidate any prior lore, and it also doesn't have to acknowledge it (its up to you to decide what you want to happen in your home game). However, as for the canon (novel) Realms, it would all be canon (until over-written by newer lore, which shouldn't ever happen... but does).

pre-1e (0e), or post-3e (NOT 4e) are my ideal choices (since I realize a complete reboot is never going to happen). Both eras have many interesting possibilities, and are close-enough to the 'known' era (1e/2e/3e) to still be relevant to most folks (in other words, 95% of your sourcebooks would still be valid, unlike in 4e). I'm hoping this "Elminster's Realms" will be a prequel product, and not some post-4e crap. The cover with the dark-elf Elminster is giving me a very bad feeling....

However - as I have said numerous times already - what I want, and what I think they should do aren't the same thing.

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Edited by - Markustay on 27 Jun 2012 05:24:51
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