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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 05:21:53
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Hero Battle: Elminster
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An Encounter for Paragon or Epic Tier Characters
Elminster has absorbed the Spellplague energies the Simbul once kept in check. Now he is crazy. In his insanity, he has learned he can tap the land for sustenance and power. His tapping into the geomagical power has begun to infect the nearby land with what he carries in his body, creating warping effects like those of the Spellplague. The infection is spreading, and someone must stop it ... but that means confronting Elminster himself.
WHAT. THE. HE##?
No, really. What is going on here? An encounter so your character can beat up Elminster?
They kill Mystra, warping El so he's barely able to cast a cantrip and now it's HEROIC to beat on him?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 05:27:46
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Oh Lords of Creation...what have you done...
Well, I have to say that I'm completely confused...
Heroic eh? I mean, I remember when one of the Chosen had been corrupted by a certain crown and was a bad girl for a while...but this?
Chris Sims...I'm sorry it was your name on this.
I've pretty much walked away from pursuing 4e...not out of hatred for rules or anything...just because...
Now, however, I realize they are taking away all the things that make the Forgotten Realms the Forgotten Realms...brick by brick. |
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woodwwad
Learned Scribe
USA
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
729 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 07:26:38
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Originally posted by The Sage
Maybe they're adopting the "Hitting a man when he's down" philosophy of combat. 
Well... you have to admit - it makes sense from a tactical point of view  . |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 07:59:19
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 09:40:38
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| They did the same type of Article for Drizzty. |
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Balduran Lavidah
Seeker
France
83 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 11:32:46
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Je désapprouve cette réaction en chaîne !
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I disagree with this chain reaction ! ! |
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
729 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 11:48:47
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Originally posted by Brimstone
They did the same type of Article for Drizzty.
Oh, right then. So, basically, it's a thought experiment.
In that case, let's not make a deal out of this? After all, players and DMs who don't care for fighting-Elminster-just-because-he's-there probably won't care for this little article either, and players and DMs who like to duke it out with El have probably been doing so ever since he got statted up, back in the days of yore... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Calmar
Acolyte
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 12:10:57
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 13:07:33
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| This fits my theory that someone( or someones) at wotc has a agenda to reboot or overwrite most everything done before them.( especially things Ed) once is a coincidence, but as many of his "creations" that have been targeted , it's got to be something more. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 13:20:58
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Did anyone read the scenario? 
That is all it is by the way, a scenario/'thought experiment'.
Just like the non-canon Drizzty scenario there is nothing to it. No grand conspiracy here...please move along... |
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(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 13:24:33
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
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Originally posted by Brimstone
They did the same type of Article for Drizzty.
Oh, right then. So, basically, it's a thought experiment.
In that case, let's not make a deal out of this? After all, players and DMs who don't care for fighting-Elminster-just-because-he's-there probably won't care for this little article either, and players and DMs who like to duke it out with El have probably been doing so ever since he got statted up, back in the days of yore...
I totally agree with you. I personally don't care for the article and it will never be used by me. |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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3240 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 13:47:13
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| I agree that it's a thought experiment and not a canon article. But it still grates me as much as stuff like Batman killing someone (Batman Forever - Bomb in henchman's pants or Batman Begins with blowing up Ra's al Ghul's temple) or the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo. It just points to someone in a position of power going "wouldn't it be cool if..." without knowing the basics of a character or story they are mucking with. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
294 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 13:57:48
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I commented on this topic on the "Saith Ed" scroll, didn't see it here.
It's a great scenario. Elminster, lost in the throes of madness, has become a threat to himself and Shadowdale. PC's must save him from himself.
The article does not infer that Elminster is a bag of XP and loot to be cracked open.
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 14:10:10
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Crumbs! I didn't get to delete my (cross-chatter) post re: this topic on the "Q's for Ed" thread before it got sniped... Yikes!
Anyway, Ashe-man, I thought that one metric of canonicity was publication on Hasbro/WotC web sites.
Is this incorrect?
I see that some in the community have applied the term "thought experiment" to these types of scenarios, but I am unfamiliar with its use by Hasbro/WotC.
Does anyone have a source for "thought experiments" as an alternative to "Adventure Hook", "Clack", etc.? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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3240 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 14:47:07
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| In my opinion, it is a thought experiment/adventure hook, but I've never considered them to be 'true' canon. In other words, they could have happened, and they might have happened, but it's more of a rumor of a story to those in the Realms. It comes down to the fact that I feel that this article was written for those players that want to be able to say "I beat XXXX! See how cool my character is?" |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 15:07:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
Crumbs! I didn't get to delete my (cross-chatter) post re: this topic on the "Q's for Ed" thread before it got sniped... Yikes!
Anyway, Ashe-man, I thought that one metric of canonicity was publication on Hasbro/WotC web sites.
Is this incorrect?
I see that some in the community have applied the term "thought experiment" to these types of scenarios, but I am unfamiliar with its use by Hasbro/WotC.
Does anyone have a source for "thought experiments" as an alternative to "Adventure Hook", "Clack", etc.?
I quote from the Chris Sim scenario:
“This scenario assumes much about the nature of
the Simbul’s sickness, and it presupposes that Elminster
finally fails in his attempts to help her.”
To me this says it is a ‘thought experiment’
“If we assume A happens then B occurs.”
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I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 15:53:36
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I'll add that this scenario has been debated at my game table in the past. The growing madness of the Chosen is a serious issue, and one that good-aligned characters in my games have added to their own "what-if?" type preparations. I'd be suprised if others had not considered the implications of one of the great stalwarts of the Realms losing it.
I know Batman would... |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3563 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 16:53:35
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Batman would, but unfortunately for the Realms he (Khelben) is already dead |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3240 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 16:56:25
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Batman would, but unfortunately for the Realms he (Khelben) is already dead
Great minds think alike... |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 17:07:34
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Yes...one target at a time...slowly vanishing...like a creeping doom both unseen and unheard...
...too late. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 17:22:36
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Batman would, but unfortunately for the Realms he (Khelben) is already dead
Oh, so you haven't heard the latest? Apparently, Khelben didn't die at the end of Blackstaff. He was actually struck by an ancient Netherese spell [supposedly derived by an Arcanist named Darkseid] called the Omega Beam. As such, Khelben was actually deposited in the distant Realms past. He'll have to overcome amnesia and "history itself" in order to make his way back to present-day Waterdeep and retake his rightful place as the Blackstaff.
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[And in case my fellow scribes haven't realised, this is a joke -- playing on the recent DC story-lines Batman RIP, Final Crisis, and Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne.] |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3240 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 17:27:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Batman would, but unfortunately for the Realms he (Khelben) is already dead
Oh, so you haven't heard the latest? Apparently, Khelben didn't die at the end of Blackstaff. He was actually struck by an ancient Netherese spell [supposedly derived by an Arcanist named Darkseid] called the Omega Beam. As such, Khelben was actually deposited in the distant Realms past. He'll have to overcome amnesia and "history itself" in order to make his way back to present-day Waterdeep and retake his rightful place as the Blackstaff.
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[And in case my fellow scribes haven't realised, this is a joke -- playing on the recent DC story-lines Batman RIP, Final Crisis, and Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne.]
I'd smite you if you didn't already have the curse of the 'to-do' list. |
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Balduran Lavidah
Seeker
France
83 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 17:36:55
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| What is this curse ? (I 've not said that I was curious?) |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3240 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 18:20:00
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Originally posted by Balduran Lavidah
What is this curse ? (I 've not said that I was curious?)
Sage is known to have a list of objective goals and jobs that has been in queue for months (or years, maybe decades even). |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 23:26:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by Balduran Lavidah
What is this curse ? (I 've not said that I was curious?)
Sage is known to have a list of objective goals and jobs that has been in queue for months (or years, maybe decades even).
And now that I think about it.........
It's gotten much, much worse since the spellplague , I'm thinking about putting together a team of scribes....going down under and trying to save him from himself.
I think my first recruit shall be Lady K.
Any volunteers? we're going to need a rogue to find a path through the stacks of " to do's"....maybe a cleric with the wisdom to make Sage see the danger he is courting.......a spellcaster or three to make some of the stuff disappear....and maybe a pair or two of fighters to do the grunt work......that just leaves Zlady K free to look beautiful as always, keeping Sage focused and calm  |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3240 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 23:32:36
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| Y'know, I was going to make a witty comment about how you could arrange it so we'd all be down under for GenCon OZ, but then I saw this. |
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Hero Battle: Elminster
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