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scererar
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 05 Dec 2008 : 06:05:56
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| At least, the old PrC of the Planeshifter made it into 4e. Good to see. |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Dec 2008 : 06:16:46
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It looks interesting enough. I'd be content to pick it up just for the Sigil information. But it also looks like a few of my other favorite planar locales and races have received some new attention as well -- namely, the City of Brass and the Keepers.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3738 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2008 : 06:23:35
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| -Don't see anything about the Factions. That'd probably be in the Sigil chapter, though. Anyone who gets this book, let me know about the Factions. Just curious how all that is going to work, with the revisions to the cosmology and all. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2008 : 15:43:52
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I might get this book. If I do, I'll share it with you. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2008 : 18:29:15
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Alright, then. I'm interested (maybe not interested. Curious) about a lot of the stuff potentially in there.
Me too! I'll think about what books to get once I'm done with my Christmas shopping. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2008 : 14:43:15
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| I plan on getting this book. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
USA
492 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2008 : 03:49:55
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Don't see anything about the Factions. That'd probably be in the Sigil chapter, though. Anyone who gets this book, let me know about the Factions. Just curious how all that is going to work, with the revisions to the cosmology and all.
From someone who had the book and was answering questions over on RPG.net, there isn't exactly any info on the factions. There's a paragon path with some relation to the Doomguard, but that's pretty much it. Very minimal fluff (though I say this second-hand, without having read a copy of the book in the store yet). Might be pretty slim even compared to the 3e MotP in terms of flavor, which would be unfortunate. But it looks to be better than the 3e Planar Handbook at least. |
Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrade; voted #1 best Arcanaloth in Sigil two hundred years running by the people who know what's best for them; chant broker; prospective Sigil council member next election; and official travel agent for Chamada Holiday specials LLC.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2008 : 05:13:12
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That's a shame.
I mean, having seen some further PLANESCAPE-references slowly creep into the 3e lore over the last few years, up to and including the final few sourcebooks released [like the two Fiendish Codex tomes], I would've thought 4e would continue that trend somewhat. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Dec 2008 : 05:49:54
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I know. The 2 Fiendish Codexes were some of my favorite 3E Books.  |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2008 : 09:46:45
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| There is a Feywild article up now. I like it. I will more than likely use it in a 3e game. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2008 : 15:46:29
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There's also an article up on the Mercykillers.
Although I'm not a huge planar fan, I liked the planes the way they were. I don't see that there was a need for a change. I'd not use the Feywild; instead, I'd use the version of Faerie that's described in the Bastion Press book Faeries.
Unlike before the fire, I now have a complete collection of the Planescape sourcebooks... One of these days, I've got to read them. The only one I've read was On Hallowed Ground, a book I somehow acquired twice when I was replacing it. Planescape failed to grab me when it came out, for two reasons: I couldn't wrap my mind around the idea of adventuring on the planes (I was looking at it wrong), and I didn't like the "everybody belongs to a faction" thing in the first boxed set. |
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Ladejarl
Seeker
Norway
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Posted - 08 Dec 2008 : 22:32:29
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| Not wanting to be in a faction makes you a Indep don't it? |
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Dec 2008 : 22:51:56
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-How can one make a Sigil without factions? Sure, there's the facton war, but...
Apparently very little detail on the Factions in the 4e MotP itself, but if Rob Schwalb's article on the Mercykillers in e-Dragon is any indication, they're shifting all sorts of detail (that should have been in printed books) to the DDI subscription package.
Personally I think they're risking the perception that some books are being intentionally watered down in content in order to hook people on a monthly subscription fee.
That said, Schwalb's MK article was ten shades of awesome. I'm rather tickled pink that he retained the possibility of Alisohn Nilesia being flayed alive by the Lady of Pain (which was more or less directly ported from a scene in one of my Storyhours...)
It's not the same setting, but it's a neat piece almost like one of those alternate continuity comic book plots. |
Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrade; voted #1 best Arcanaloth in Sigil two hundred years running by the people who know what's best for them; chant broker; prospective Sigil council member next election; and official travel agent for Chamada Holiday specials LLC.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2008 : 23:20:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Planescape failed to grab me when it came out, for two reasons: I couldn't wrap my mind around the idea of adventuring on the planes (I was looking at it wrong), and I didn't like the "everybody belongs to a faction" thing in the first boxed set.
"Everybody" doesn't really belong to a Faction though. The Factions are highly Sigil-centric. And though they do have influence elsewhere on the planes and outside the City of Doors [mostly in areas they directly control], the planes themselves are still the domains of powers, petitioners and planars -- as well as plenty of clueless who've never heard anything about the Factions and what they're about.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2008 : 23:33:32
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Planescape failed to grab me when it came out, for two reasons: I couldn't wrap my mind around the idea of adventuring on the planes (I was looking at it wrong), and I didn't like the "everybody belongs to a faction" thing in the first boxed set.
"Everybody" doesn't really belong to a Faction though. The Factions are highly Sigil-centric. And though they do have influence elsewhere on the planes and outside the City of Doors [mostly in areas they directly control], the planes themselves are still the domains of powers, petitioners and planars -- as well as plenty of clueless who've never heard anything about the Factions and what they're about.
It's been a long time since I read the boxed set (I got it when it first came out, and traded it for store credit within a few months). I likely misread it; it was prolly something Sigil-specific. I just recall it saying something about how everybody belonged to a faction -- and none of the factions appealed to me. They were all too focused on one thing for me. *shrugs* I need to reread the stuff, that's for certain. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2008 : 23:36:25
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It's been a long time since I read the boxed set (I got it when it first came out, and traded it for store credit within a few months). I likely misread it; it was prolly something Sigil-specific. I just recall it saying something about how everybody belonged to a faction -- and none of the factions appealed to me.
Aye.
Though, that particular element wasn't specifically focused on in successive PS tomes, where they began to elaborate more on the expansive nature of the planes and the opportunities that come with being not-specifically aligned to a group like a Faction. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3738 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2008 : 03:57:12
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Originally posted by Shemmy
It's not the same setting, but it's a neat piece almost like one of those alternate continuity comic book plots.
-It's takes more than being able to adventure in the planes to a Planescape make, that's for sure. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 16:20:52
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I may be a cynic, but I was surprised when upon looking at the book I saw that they'd included Shemeshka the Marauder, even though now arcanaloths are a new creature and are somehow related to rakshasas. (It looks like Shemmy's family tree got some pruning. )
That said, I wonder if she was included in 4e because of the status 'she', or rather the gamer who adopted her online, has with the larger gamer community? It just seems odd that of all the yugoloths, the arcanaloths are the only ones stil around in 4e. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 16:41:38
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Canoloths are there
I was hoping to see something good about Faerie, but nothing impressive
Doomguard are changed, for the worse, no longer three types of them, just hack and smash
and they are anarchists, lol
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 17:11:09
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Originally posted by Quale
Doomguard are changed, for the worse, no longer three types of them, just hack and smash
Doesn't that description apply to all 4E classes? |
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
USA
492 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 18:01:16
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Originally posted by Ardashir
I may be a cynic, but I was surprised when upon looking at the book I saw that they'd included Shemeshka the Marauder, even though now arcanaloths are a new creature and are somehow related to rakshasas. (It looks like Shemmy's family tree got some pruning. )
That said, I wonder if she was included in 4e because of the status 'she', or rather the gamer who adopted her online, has with the larger gamer community? It just seems odd that of all the yugoloths, the arcanaloths are the only ones stil around in 4e.
*chuckle* I would bet money that it had absolutely nothing to do with my online hijacking of the character as a sometimes pen-name. Given how much I've expressed displeasure (to put it lightly) at the design decisions by one or two members of the 4e "writing team", any influence I'd lend to the character undoubtably would be negative if they'd considered me when they wrote her up for 4e. As it happens, they did a good job, so I'll grant them that.
That said, the character is there in Sigil in 4e because of Michelle Carter. She suggested the characters that were featured as interesting people in the Sigil writeup. She's awesome like that.
And if they'd had me in mind when they wrote up Shemeshka in 4e, they'd certainly have spelled her name wrong like I have (knowingly) for years. Yes, there's a story there. ;) |
Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrade; voted #1 best Arcanaloth in Sigil two hundred years running by the people who know what's best for them; chant broker; prospective Sigil council member next election; and official travel agent for Chamada Holiday specials LLC.
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 21:50:42
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 22:43:05
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| It has 5 pages on Sigil? Hmm, might have to peruse this after all. |
If I waited till I knew what I was doing, I'd never get anything done.
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 : 00:25:23
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Originally posted by Shemmy
*chuckle* I would bet money that it had absolutely nothing to do with my online hijacking of the character as a sometimes pen-name. Given how much I've expressed displeasure (to put it lightly) at the design decisions by one or two members of the 4e "writing team", any influence I'd lend to the character undoubtably would be negative if they'd considered me when they wrote her up for 4e. As it happens, they did a good job, so I'll grant them that.
Great job, yes, but I'm still avoiding 4th Ed. Sorry, folks.
quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy
That said, the character is there in Sigil in 4e because of Michelle Carter. She suggested the characters that were featured as interesting people in the Sigil writeup. She's awesome like that.
She sounds like a fine lady indeed.
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Originally posted by Shemmy
And if they'd had me in mind when they wrote up Shemeshka in 4e, they'd certainly have spelled her name wrong like I have (knowingly) for years. Yes, there's a story there. ;)
And? Have you written this story down anywhere? I remember once having the address of your shrine to Shemeshka homepage, but I've since lost it. I'd like to be able to find it again.
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 : 02:06:51
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[quoteAnd? Have you written this story down anywhere? I remember once having the address of your shrine to Shemeshka homepage, but I've since lost it. I'd like to be able to find it again.
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No not really. I'll share it at some point.
But I haven't ever had a homepage. |
Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrade; voted #1 best Arcanaloth in Sigil two hundred years running by the people who know what's best for them; chant broker; prospective Sigil council member next election; and official travel agent for Chamada Holiday specials LLC.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 : 06:53:07
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
One of the few things that interests me about the 4E planes is the Feywild. I don't think they went into enough detail on Faerie in previous editions, so hopefully making it an integral part of the cosmology will make them pay more attention to it.
-I've always preferred an detailed Plane of Faerie, myself. Helps with the "eldrich mystique" going on. |
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