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Uzzy
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
 Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 20:27:25
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 20:39:52
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This basically says it all... They needed a system reboot, accomodating the new system and all that.
Bloody hell, you can run a Realms game without all the knowledge that has been released in 20 odd years. If that is one of the arguments, I pray WOTC will never release a game with a medieval background, because they would certainly have to "reboot" the middle ages to make a new GM undaunted by the sheer volume of HISTORY that happened there... incidentally ... medieval Europe fits the points of light crap perfectly... |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 20:45:50
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My own summarization of the podcast.
They have a plan to reveal information in both Dragon and Gamer Radio Zero, but they don't want to reveal the information now to avoid spoiling some of the secrets of upcoming novels.
Rest of the key points coming up asap.
Overarching Goal for The Realms: 'All Campaign Settings will need to change to adopt 4th Edition'. One of the key things that defines the Realms is magic. Wanting to make the setting more accessible to a broader audience. The setting comes with '30 years of baggage, a lot of it is good stuff to have around, a lot is not so good to have around.' Wanting to stop people being daunted by the Realms.
How Drastic are the Changes: Changes are Dramatic, most having to do with rebuilding some of the gods, cosmology, pantheons. There is a time jump, but it won't be revealed how much of a time jump till the new year.
Ed's Involvement: Pretty much in every stage. Tackling the most interesting new material in the book, in new places. Writing novels in the new timeframe. Some of Ed's backlog of information may be put on the FR Wiki.
Broad Themes to keep the Realms the Realms: First discussion about FR was what makes it so likeable. 'Setting that has a thousand.. a million stories to tell' Lot's of things going on all around the world. High magic setting. 'A place with a feeling of age and legacy to it'. All those in the new setting.
Side Areas: Maztica, Kara-Tur, Al-Qadim. Not exploring those areas specifically, but taking a more holistic look at the world in the new setting. Will go beyond Faerún. 'A glimpse of the whole world'. Ed taking the lead on this, focusing his work on the world beyond Faerún.
High Level NPC's: Goal to remove them. 'There is a feel in the current game that High Level NPC's save the day'. Mystra's Chosen will not be around. PC's accomplishing the epic goals. Good for the setting that PC's feel like the movers and shakers in the world. Threats at all levels. High Level threats and high level organisations that the PC's can join, but those new organisations aren't going to get in the way of the story, the way some of the current ones do.
'New' Realms: Decision to make the Realms new again taken at the Corporate level. Doesn't mean someone from Hasbro came in and told them to do it, but it was talked about all the way up the chain internally. Initiated by the Team.
The Weave: 'We understand what the Weave does'. Weave didn't fit in 4th Edition though. What steps in is new, but not something completely alien. 'It will work really well within the setting'
Realms Campaigns run by the Designers: Internal Realms game was going for a while, stopped about a year ago. Realms info plundered for their own campaigns, so lots of FR in all their campaigns. 'Lot of stuff within the FR world that can easily be imported over (into their own campagins)' Didn't run FR campaigns due to thinking that they couldn't absorb all the information to run a true FR campaign, which influenced them and gave them an awareness of this 'problem'.
Other Designers working on the Realms: Eric Boyd, Brian James working on stuff. 'As FR continues we will need more folks in.' Rob Heinsoo with Logan Bonner working the mechanical design, the players content. New races, new powers. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 21:23:52
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I get a definite sense of respect for the setting at hearing that certain NPCs are going to be "nuked" and "eliminated". |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 21:27:03
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 23:08:44
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You know, on one hand, none of this information really surprises me, because we could more or less infer everything that was confirmed. So I don't know why I'm upset, except perhaps some of the flippant comments and the confirmation of what is going on was enough to get my blood pressure going.
One of the things that really annoyed me was only a few second before explaining why "uber" NPCs had to be killed or "nuked," Chis Perkins says that the Realms is big enough that you didn't have to run into Drizzt if you didn't want to use him, but yet, the setting is so small that you did have to constantly run into NPCs that aren't Drizzt.
Also, I'd also like to point out that I've yet to run into a group of PCs that said "you know, it could be dangerous to oppose the People of the Black Blood/Zhentarim/Shadovar/random orc tribe/sneaky goblins, lets just let them make slaves of the locals/slaughter the locals/allow the Dalelands to be conquered/watch the innocent people being sacrificed to the demon lord, since eventually Storm or Dove or someone will happen upon this and fix the problem. In fact, let's have our characters retire at first level since there is obviously nothing for us to do here."
I'm also really tired of being told things will work really well, and that various changes will be great, because the underlying feeling here is not "hey, we're working really hard, and we hope you'll like it because we think this is a good idea," but rather, "we know this is the only way to make the setting work, and if it doesn't work for you, the problem is with you, not our design."
Also, again in a matter of a few breaths he says the the people in house don't use material the same way that the unwashed masses do, and they have the brilliance and foresight to know what to use and what not to use, but then turns around and uses the admittedly aberrant group as proof that its too hard to use the Forgotten Realms as it currently stands.
I also love how as soon as someone mentions Rich Baker's name, they jump to the conclusion that the person positing the question must have been one of the people that has been lambasting Rich, and thus they start in with the joking and laughing about how silly and foolish people are for questioning their wisdom.
I think they do listen, but they listen looking for confirmation of their opinions. As soon as they find someone that is critical of the Realms that is ranting and irrational, they assume that all of the other people being critical are similarly irrational, and as soon as they find someone calm and eloquent that is willing to at least wait for the new material, they assume that this person is representative of the "pro" or "wait and see" crowd.
You know, I love his writing, and I love the character, but has it occurred to anyone that Erevis Cale became the Chosen of Mask and progressed to "epic level" after development of 4th edition began? In other words, Chosen and Epic are supposed to be anathema to the continued enjoyment of the Realms, and yet they allow another Epic Chosen to develop as they are "stamping out" this "problem." Between this and the drastic increases in the number of RSE since the timeframe when we know that 4th edition has been in developement, it almost feels like some people were perhaps annoyed with this or that about the setting, so lets make sure they are really, really annoyed with these things that they used to be able to look past so they will see why we needed to change these things.
I'm going to take a deep breath stop talking, since I'm likely to say something that I shouldn't. I think I'm more upset know, because I get the feeling that they do understand the setting, but still wanted to change it and manipulated it even in 3.5 in order to fit their template.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 00:26:26
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I do not think that Chris really said anything that he or Rich had not already said on the Forums/Blogs. Blech!  I still do not understand why they will not at least tell us the dates on which we will learn the answers to various questions. And how the hell is the date of the "new" campaign setting going to ruin a novel? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 01:06:56
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Also, I'd also like to point out that I've yet to run into a group of PCs that said "you know, it could be dangerous to oppose the People of the Black Blood/Zhentarim/Shadovar/random orc tribe/sneaky goblins, lets just let them make slaves of the locals/slaughter the locals/allow the Dalelands to be conquered/watch the innocent people being sacrificed to the demon lord, since eventually Storm or Dove or someone will happen upon this and fix the problem. In fact, let's have our characters retire at first level since there is obviously nothing for us to do here."
You know, there's a thread on the WotC forums that I took part in that deals with this very issue. Faraer mentioned (rightly, IMO) that the oft-cited question of "why isn't so-and-so taking care of this?" is a player question rather than a character question (and therefore, it probably isn't something the PCs would be asking themselves). I suggested that if a game stops in its tracks because the players would rather wonder where Elminster is than actually get to adventuring, than they are probably overthinking the game a bit.
I agree with you--hearing all these new (flippant) comments made me feel upset all over again. To think I had a pretty dispassionate attitude before, this podcast gets me all POed again. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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initiate
Learned Scribe
Canada
102 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 01:21:07
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A lot of what I'm now going to say is probably irrational and unfair, but I feel compelled to write it down because its my gut reaction. Granted, as Hawkins says, Chris didn't really say anything that hadn't been hinted at already. Yet previously I was leery of writing about these hints because they were just that: hints, potentially misconstrued by fans protective of their setting. Now, though, we've got one or two bald statements, and I can unleash the Fan Within...
From Uzzy's Summary:
Mystra's Chosen will not be around. -- also: "nuked", "eliminated"
Then neither will I. He has "nuked" my interest. [And yeah, I definitely get a real sense of respect for the setting here. Its petty to get so uptight, I know, but the reaction they're getting from the "old guard" in itself is an indication of the power of the Realms as it stands.]
From Summary:
...a million stories to tell, lots of things going on all around the world
Accept, apparently, there ain't no space for some characters who've been there for twenty years. Some of these personalities have been with the setting since the beginning, since before I was born. This is baseline stuff they're messing with.
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good for the setting that PCS feel like the movers and shakers in the world
I think that this has the danger to degenerate into player ego-stroking of the kind that's sometimes encountered in computer games.
From Summary:
but those new organizations aren't going to get in the way of the story, the way some of the current ones do.
Get in the way? But they are part of the story, my friend. Just as the Chosen are part of the story, a vast and complex tapestry that's more than dice and dungeons and "my elf rogue is level 30". Also, how will these new organizations be different? It seems that they are substituting one set of high level "evils" for some new ones. Accept these new ones will be "cool".
Well, I guess that's it then. This weekend I'll break out the books and start planning a time-line to support my own campaigns running over the next while chronologically. Really I should thank them -- this will probably be a lot of fun.
I know that I should wait and see. I know that I should give their new vision a chance. I know that Ed is on board. But, (today, at least), I don't care. With that open comment about "stealing thunder" Perkins has managed to convince me that this new setting ain't for me. Sod this. I know its immature, but I'm taking my ball and going home for the moment. I don't think that their vision of the Realms is necessarily a "wrong" vision. They just happen to have chosen parts of the setting to mess with that this particular fan considers central and integral.
Regarding KEJR'S point about Cale:
Yeah, this is interesting. I'm just guessing here, but I'd say that Cale may fall within the new requisite "cool" equation. I too love Paul Kemp's books, but they seem to approach the Realms from a vastly different angle than, say, an Ed or Elaine novel. They're kinda dark, kinda edgy, with lots of sword-swinging goodness. Cale, (big, tall, tough Shadowman-with-a-wicked-sword) gives off a vibe that they probably feel they can work with.
I agree with KEJR and RF's thoughts on the player question of why Elminster [or whoever] isn't dealing with whatever problem the PCs might have. No more to add for the moment really. I understand that WotC is a business and must act as such when making content related decisions. I wish them luck. Now role on the fan timelines!
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 06:26:17
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
You know, there's a thread on the WotC forums that I took part in that deals with this very issue. Faraer mentioned (rightly, IMO) that the oft-cited question of "why isn't so-and-so taking care of this?" is a player question rather than a character question (and therefore, it probably isn't something the PCs would be asking themselves). I suggested that if a game stops in its tracks because the players would rather wonder where Elminster is than actually get to adventuring, than they are probably overthinking the game a bit.
I agree with you--hearing all these new (flippant) comments made me feel upset all over again. To think I had a pretty dispassionate attitude before, this podcast gets me all POed again.
I will take that as a hint that there is little reason for me to listen to it at all. To me it seems like this is more or less the same things that I have been hearing over the last couple of months anyway. I didn't care then and I don't care now. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 12:05:40
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 12:07:49
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
You know, there's a thread on the WotC forums that I took part in that deals with this very issue. Faraer mentioned (rightly, IMO) that the oft-cited question of "why isn't so-and-so taking care of this?" is a player question rather than a character question (and therefore, it probably isn't something the PCs would be asking themselves). I suggested that if a game stops in its tracks because the players would rather wonder where Elminster is than actually get to adventuring, than they are probably overthinking the game a bit.
I agree with you--hearing all these new (flippant) comments made me feel upset all over again. To think I had a pretty dispassionate attitude before, this podcast gets me all POed again.
I will take that as a hint that there is little reason for me to listen to it at all. To me it seems like this is more or less the same things that I have been hearing over the last couple of months anyway. I didn't care then and I don't care now.
If you have been following the 4e Realms since August, then over 85% of the Perkins interview is worthless. If a person has no idea what is going on or just following 4e Realms news off and on since August then they would benefit from this interview. I encourage people to watch this video anyway so they can draw there own conclusions. So far
I find some of Perkins statements hypocritical and dont like the tease of waiting until January to hear about the new information concerning the time jump. Why not tell us now? Is there a major book or supplement for FR coming out this month that a premature announcement would ruin it for me?
Hype is good when handled correctly (LotR movies)
But when handled wrong you get the Phantom Menace.
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I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you dont want to move to the new Realms, that doesnt mean theres anything wrong with either you or the old Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches wont fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 12:34:39
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Originally posted by Bakra
Hype is good when handled correctly (LotR movies)
But when handled wrong you get the Phantom Menace.
Well I prefer Phantom Menace to the Ring trilogy, but I have a feeling that the hype of 4ed. has not even started. This is only the building of the excitement, wait until we get nearer to the publishing date, then the hype will really start. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 17:22:27
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Originally posted by Jorkens
This is only the building of the excitement, wait until we get nearer to the publishing date, then the hype will really start.
If these negative emotions are the result of them building the excitement, then it doesn't bode well for them when the actual hype starts! |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 19:07:56
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Originally posted by Jorkens
This is only the building of the excitement, wait until we get nearer to the publishing date, then the hype will really start.
The only thing excited about 4e is my stomach... |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 19:09:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jorkens
This is only the building of the excitement, wait until we get nearer to the publishing date, then the hype will really start.
If these negative emotions are the result of them building the excitement, then it doesn't bode well for them when the actual hype starts!
It should be remmembered, people happy with change will not complain. In gereral only a few will praise changes they like. The emotionions do not get raised as much to cause a post to be typed.
Looking at negitive to positive comments does not often reflect the precentage of people's belief about the change.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Dec 2007 : 11:34:09
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| Can't see the podcast here at work, but from all the responses, I'm going to easily assume that the 4E is turning the Realms inside out in an attempt to alienate realms fans and make current non-realms fans the new realms fans, so we will have to switch places with them as non-realms fans...at least that is the feeling I am getting. |
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RIMV
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 07 Dec 2007 : 19:28:31
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I as well can't view it, but it sure does sound like they are tuning Forgotten Realms into WoW or something equally as atrocious.
I've said it before, 3.X is a good enough system for me. I will definitely not be supporting this new "Realms". |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 07 Dec 2007 : 19:41:59
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Originally posted by RIMV
I as well can't view it, but it sure does sound like they are tuning Forgotten Realms into WoW or something equally as atrocious.
I've said it before, 3.X is a good enough system for me.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 08 Dec 2007 : 04:02:33
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Originally posted by RIMV
I as well can't view it, but it sure does sound like they are tuning Forgotten Realms into WoW or something equally as atrocious.
I've said it before, 3.X is a good enough system for me. I will definitely not be supporting this new "Realms".
Hear, hear, RIMV! Welcome to the club!
Yes, my gaming group and I are definitely of the opinion that WoW has extended its digital tendrils into the consciousness of the makers of 4E... the similarities are flagrant. For the record, 2 out of our 5 gamers group play WoW and love it, but truly hate the way 4E is shaping up. The general sentiment from them is that they feel betrayed by WotC pure and simple. Even though some of us are high income earners, we feel that there is no way in heck one can keep up with the rapacious, rampant tide of products WotC has thrown our way in the last four years, let alone trying to plan *ahead* for a gawd dang fourth edifreakintion!
(So we've all decided to make a stand on our nice little 3.5 tile... yay 3.5... yay! --> can't believe I'm saying yay 3.5 <-- O_O ) |
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Thangorn
Seeker
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Posted - 08 Dec 2007 : 12:56:12
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(So we've all decided to make a stand on our nice little 3.5 tile... yay 3.5... yay! --> can't believe I'm saying yay 3.5 <-- O_O )
My group has been standing on the Player's Option 2nd Edition tile for quite some time.. Only thing we pinched from 3.0->3.5 is some of the spell progression :)
My campaign runs in 1362-3 Dales and the campaigns two of my PCs play in is set in 1360-1 Tethyr..
4th edition no longer affects me as I've made all the book purchases apart from novels I need to make to play the game I want to play. I cant see anything coming that'll compel me to buy future novels at this rate.. The history of the realms has always seemed more compelling. I think this continues to confirm that to me..
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 04:32:52
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| It doesn't help that Ed is slated to write novels in the new Realms (as opposed to the Realms of the past) if I recall correctly. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 17:00:25
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| Don't fight it. Ed will make you fall in love with the Realms all over again. Really. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 17:12:29
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Don't fight it. Ed will make you fall in love with the Realms all over again. Really.
I prefer the 4E design over the 3.x, I love the new way to deal with the cosmology (greater/lesser/demi) and Ed is still deeply involed.
It will be hard to wait until August !
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 17:40:29
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| I was already in love with the Realms. The way I see it, WoTC is falling out of love with a large portion of it's fanbase in order to go in an unneeded and unwanted direction. Everything that has so far been mentioned about the New Realms makes me want to get into it less and less. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 18:30:07
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Originally posted by Uzzy
I was already in love with the Realms. The way I see it, WoTC is falling out of love with a large portion of it's fanbase in order to go in an unneeded and unwanted direction.
I doubt Candlekeep's grognards is a large portion of the fanbase. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 18:41:29
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| I dunno...discounting about let's say about 2000 people (a couple more maybe) who buy every Realms product there is... about $30 a month on average, makes 60k US$ per month and 720k US$ a year... maybe it isn't that much where you come from but having a steady base of supporters that buys everything with the logo printed on, or most of everything, is a good source of income... even if you knock off 120k US off the top, that leaves you with half a million dollars sure income... I say that's worth a tad more than just a mere acknowledgement, een it the average Candlekeep participant spends only 20 bucks a month it still is certain money which Wizards might not get from the "casual" gamer |
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Faraer
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 18:44:05
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| Skeptic, all this is going to be divisive enough without that kind of labelling. Let's try and take each other's thoughts and feelings for what they are without reducing us to tribes. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 18:46:39
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Originally posted by Faraer
Skeptic, all this is going to be divisive enough without that kind of labelling. Let's try and take each other's thoughts and feelings for what they are without reducing us to tribes.
Tribes ? I tought I was the only FR-fan who likes 4e changes here 
Hmm.. maybe I'm the only vocal one.. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 19:13:18
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Originally posted by Skeptic
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Originally posted by Faraer
Skeptic, all this is going to be divisive enough without that kind of labelling. Let's try and take each other's thoughts and feelings for what they are without reducing us to tribes.
Tribes ? I tought I was the only FR-fan who likes 4e changes here
Hmm.. maybe I'm the only vocal one..
Honestly, I know what I like about the Realms, and how I like it presented, and I spend time at Candlekeep because I like the people here and their ideas on the Realms. It is generally irrelevant whether my opinion is in the majority or not.
That having been said, from some of the responses that the designers have made regarding people misunderstanding their intentions or the like, while the majority may not think like we pitiful few here at Candlekeep, I think that WOTC does still have a significant number of people who are fans of the Realms that are leery of the potential changes.
But again, it matters little, because I know it doesn't serve my purposes or my tastes, and beyond that, I can't really do much about how other people receive such changes. |
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