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| Irennan |
Posted - 30 Nov 2016 : 23:24:36
Ed's first Mirt tale has been uploaded. Get it here: http://www.dmsguild.com/product/199519/ALL-THINGS-THROUGH-THE-BRIGHT-FLAMES--The-First-Tale-of-Mirt-In-the-Time-After-The-Sundering?src=newest_in_dmg |
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| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 12:01:18
Everyone hates WoTC for their awful decisions in the past. It has tainted most peoples belief of their ability to make any decision in the future and has now passed into cultural memory (rpg culture) such that all decisions anyone disagrees with are now automatically the fault of WoTC, whether they have anything to do with the decision, product or anything else.
WoTC are now the rpg worlds scapegoat. The company you love to hate |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 11:56:27
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Originally posted by Mirtek
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You're talking about them making an exception to their rules
no, just using the rules they set from day one. Aka anything that WotC declares canon is, anything else isn't.
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as soon as they change their rules
that's not changing the rules, it's finally utilizing the rule they set fir themselves at day one.
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for one person, others are going to want that -- either the authors themselves or the armchair quarterbacks here.
AS happened with the already existing agreement that EDS statements about FR are canon in any other medium while no one's else are?
No, the rule of the DM's Guild, which Ed obviously agreed with when he posted his content there, is that anything there is non-canon. Ed agreed to this rule -- he obviously didn't have an issue with it.
Why are you attacking WotC for something Ed agreed to? |
| Mirtek |
Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 11:45:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You're talking about them making an exception to their rules
no, just using the rules they set from day one. Aka anything that WotC declares canon is, anything else isn't.
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as soon as they change their rules
that's not changing the rules, it's finally utilizing the rule they set fir themselves at day one.
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for one person, others are going to want that -- either the authors themselves or the armchair quarterbacks here.
AS happened with the already existing agreement that EDS statements about FR are canon in any other medium while no one's else are? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 10:54:06
You're talking about them making an exception to their rules for one person, who knew the specifics of the website and obviously accepted them, since he posted there anyway.
Where is the benefit for WotC in opening this particular can of worms? Because regardless of what you say, as soon as they change their rules for one person, others are going to want that -- either the authors themselves or the armchair quarterbacks here. |
| Mirtek |
Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 09:55:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But then they would have had to have done the same for every single thing he writes,
And what would be the Problem with that? It's just re-confirming the agreement they gave with him anyway. T
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and anything written by any other former Realms designers/authors
they could, but would not habe too. No realm author except ed could Make canon statements outside TSR/WotC publication in the past eithet
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- all on a site where part of the agreement to put something there is acknowledgement that it is non-canon.
which is not the actual acknowlegdement. The actual acknowledgement is that anything there is non-canon unless WotC explicitly says it is.
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And look at what they did, too: they asked him to add game material, since they've been avoiding straight fan fiction. They maintained their status quo.
And they could have finally introduced a `canon tag` with the same breath. Just linke that. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 02:57:36
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Originally posted by Mirtek
So what would I need to do to get it on a kindle? I know this is not a tech support site, but I'd like to read it and never bought anything for my kindle that didn't come from amazon
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
but there was no action here.
A non-action can somethimes be as worse as an action. They deliberately paid attention to him out of all authors by asking him to modify his story. They could have declated it canon with the same breath.
But then they would have had to have done the same for every single thing he writes, and anything written by any other former Realms designers/authors -- all on a site where part of the agreement to put something there is acknowledgement that it is non-canon.
And look at what they did, too: they asked him to add game material, since they've been avoiding straight fan fiction. They maintained their status quo. |
| Mirtek |
Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 00:04:00
So what would I need to do to get it on a kindle? I know this is not a tech support site, but I'd like to read it and never bought anything for my kindle that didn't come from amazon
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
but there was no action here.
A non-action can somethimes be as worse as an action. They deliberately paid attention to him out of all authors by asking him to modify his story. They could have declated it canon with the same breath. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 10 Dec 2016 : 19:30:29
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Originally posted by Markustay
This just occurred to me, and given my usual 'gloomy' outlook on things, I have to wonder why this hadn't occurred to me earlier...
What if WotC 'bought' the story merely to satisfy their contractual agreements with Ed?
Buying a tiny little short story by him every year may work-out cheaper/more efficient than a lawsuit, in the log-run. All they have to do now is wait until Jan. 1st to release it an WALLAH, they're good for 2017. 
This is something that I've been wondering about since when Ed hinted that the novel line was coming to an end back in April. However, I now doubt that it is true, since Ed's story is still labeled as fan fic and not official. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 10 Dec 2016 : 19:23:09
This just occurred to me, and given my usual 'gloomy' outlook on things, I have to wonder why this hadn't occurred to me earlier...
What if WotC 'bought' the story merely to satisfy their contractual agreements with Ed?
Buying a tiny little short story by him every year may work-out cheaper/more efficient than a lawsuit, in the log-run. All they have to do now is wait until Jan. 1st to release it an WALLAH, they're good for 2017. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 07 Dec 2016 : 14:11:06
No, not that I know of. |
| sno4wy |
Posted - 07 Dec 2016 : 13:57:14
I do have a question regarding something I genuinely don't know about: Is there any other means that Ed could publish Forgotten Realms related stuff without going through WotC or some WotC-affiliated platform like the DMGuild? Wouldn't he run into legal issues if he did that since WotC owns the intellectual property? |
| KanzenAU |
Posted - 07 Dec 2016 : 03:08:19
On reflection, what Wooly says makes a lot of sense. On twitter Ed has said he has "no idea" why the short story is considered fanfic, and my guess is that it is indeed simply due to the DM's Guild policy. More than likely, Ed just published the story there, and that's the policy. WotC probably didn't review it, make sure it fits in with their current canon, etc - so the fanfic default makes sense.
Admittedly, it would be great if the DM's Guild had it's own automatic "canon" tag for Ed's work, but that's not really how the site is set up. It's quite literally a site for fan works.
At the end of the day, for it to be canon, it would have to go through a WotC review process, and to be honest I'm just happy to get as much Ed-lore as I can get. It's still canon in many of our eyes, even if not in an official sense. Same goes for the works of Elaine or any other of the greats - fanfic label or no fanfic label, it's canon to me. So perhaps letting them post to the DM's Guild whatever they like, without an official "canonicity" review by the current powers that be, could even be a good thing.
Edit: I also have to agree that the constant WotC bashing here can't in any way help the situation. If I was WotC staff I'd be inclined to look here for lore and lore ideas, but if my work was constantly abused, I'd become less and less inclined to visit, and that would be a shame - and a loss for us. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Dec 2016 : 02:15:27
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Originally posted by Gyor
I'll point out that they made the its not cannon rule is a soft one, not a hard one, they reserved the right from the beginning to declare any work on DMS guild canon.
Exactly. And it was Ed's choice to publish there, knowing that was the policy. No one forced him to publish there, and their policy on the site was stated quite clearly on day 1.
Again, this is not WotC deliberately making a statement about Ed's writing on the DM's Guild -- this is the policy that applies to every single person who decides to write for that site, whether they are prior published Realms authors or some random guy who thinks he's got a kewl idea.
It's not a deliberate slight against Ed or anyone else. WotC did nothing at all, here.
I've said more than once I'm happy to complain about WotC when I disagree with their actions -- but there was no action here.
And people are acting like there was, because we've gotten into this "WotC is evil!" schtick that makes us look at everything WotC does in the worst possible light.
The lack of support for the Realms is bad enough. Every other post here being about that same topic just makes it worse. |
| Gyor |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 22:56:00
I'll point out that they made the its not cannon rule is a soft one, not a hard one, they reserved the right from the beginning to declare any work on DMS guild canon.
I'm tired of BS choices on the part of WotC. |
| Seravin |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 21:44:45
From Ed's tweet:
"Mirt story on DM's Guild temporarily down; Wizards wants it wearing the full glory of its game Realmslore! Stitching glitter, back up soon!"
WoTC specifically looked at Ed's post; asked him to modify it, and STILL required the creator of the Realms to declare his work as fan fiction. I guess my disappointment stems from that this company has a very easy chance to please fans by waiving the DM Guild = Not Canon rule for the creator, but STILL stubbornly chose not to because reasons. If I'm not allowed to express disappointment in WoTC's lack of ability to bend a policy for the creator of the Realms itself, I guess I'm not in the right place.
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| sno4wy |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 19:13:09
I can't speak for anyone else, but my personal disappointment stems not from the fact that Ed initially published the story as fanfiction. While disappointing, I could understand that, because of the nature of the DMGuild. However, looking back now, I think perhaps a number of us mistakenly believed from Ed's tweet that WotC was sanctioning it as official canonical material, when in reality, it appears that even Ed isn't an exception to the rule that fiction-only stuff aren't allowed on the DMGuild. I haven't gotten a copy of the new version yet, but is the added stuff just mechanics relevant to D&D gameplay? |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 19:11:23
I was being sarcastic with the Chris Perkins comment. I was feeling nostalgic for 2008.
Not really caring what WotC does or doesn't do with the Realms is rather liberating. If I like the product, I buy it, if I don't like it, I pass. I have more than enough Realms "stuff" to last me a lifetime.  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 18:38:33
*Sigh* Here we go again...
It's not that WotC specifically declared Ed's writing to be fan fiction. It's that Ed is writing and publishing something thru a site that since day 1 was declared to contain non-canon material. It's not the same thing, and I'm getting really, really tired of this constant negativity.  |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 17:25:11
CHRISTOPHER PERKINS MUST BE STOPPED!!!!!1!1!
Feeling nostalgic... |
| sno4wy |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 16:23:23
Agreed with the above two posts. Why, WotC, why? :( |
| Irennan |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 16:19:58
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Originally posted by Seravin
Calling Ed's writing "fan fic" is a damn slap in the face.
This. It doesn't diminish the value of Ed's work or my desire to support him, but it makes me more and more jaded towards WotC. |
| Seravin |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 16:13:36
Calling Ed's writing "fan fic" is a damn slap in the face. I don't get this company at ALL. That said, I'll of course buy anything Ed puts out there on DM Guild in order to get more of it and encourage said behavior. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 14:59:11
Apparently, it isn't. Granted, as others have said, canon has lost much of its value now, but WotC deciding to acknowledge Ed's work on the DMGuild as canon, maybe even support/publicize it, would be a (much needed) reason to remain hopeful about the future of the Realms. |
| sno4wy |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 14:49:55
So what does this mean? That it isn't official canon? :( |
| Irennan |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 13:09:15
Thanks for the update. I'm bummed that they didn't do away with the fanfic thing, tho. |
| KanzenAU |
Posted - 06 Dec 2016 : 01:15:52
All Thing Through The Bright Flames is back up!
It's still got the "fan fiction" bit at the front, but it now has an added appendix with game relevant info!
http://www.dmsguild.com/product/199519/ALL-THINGS-THROUGH-THE-BRIGHT-FLAMES--The-First-Tale-of-Mirt-In-the-Time-After-The-Sundering |
| Gyor |
Posted - 05 Dec 2016 : 04:44:09
So instead of doing the whole Moon Sea, maybe Phlan for example. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 05 Dec 2016 : 02:26:27
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
If he does a Volo's Guide to the High Forest and Moonsea I will wet myself.
He's told me he'll be concentrating on smaller-in-scope stuff.
-- George Krashos |
| Gyor |
Posted - 04 Dec 2016 : 23:14:51
Its a bonus story. |
| Adhriva |
Posted - 04 Dec 2016 : 23:02:47
He already released DEATH MASKS this year so for 2016, it was already fulfilled. |
