| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Diffan |
Posted - 03 Jul 2014 : 20:46:07
Well I just downloaded the new D&D Basic rules for the new edition. As I peruse though the PDF I come to the human section of the Races. Here we find a little detail about the different ethnicities that can be found in the Forgotten Realms. It goes on to list Calishite, Chondathan, Damaran, Illuskan, Mulan, Rashemi, Shou, Tethyrian, and Turami descriptions and example names.
Further, in the Cleric section, your choice of Domain refers to particular Realms deities (among deities of other settings) though I'm not certain that it's extremely specific. In the PDF your play a Cleric of Life (though other domains will be present in the PHB) but this domain has a few deities that you can choose from such as Chauntea, Lathander, and Ilmater from the Forgotten Realms. So it's similar to 3E where domains are a bit broad and that multiple deities can be listed under the same domain.
Further when they list creating character personalities they use two polar opposites to show the contrast: Tika Waylan and Artemis Entreri.
That's as much as I saw in my brief look through the PDF and I'm under the assumption that these are taken pretty much from the New player's handbook. This also confirms that if your making a character WotC is giving you options that directly correlate with starting up in the Forgotten Realms. |
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| George Krashos |
Posted - 15 Jul 2014 : 01:40:42
I think all of the campaign settings bar GH (notice how there has been no mention of Greyhawk ...) will be touchstones for various mechanics in the rules. I'm hoping that the dedicated campaign sourcebooks (if they are released) will flesh this out in greater detail.
-- George Krashos |
| Zireael |
Posted - 14 Jul 2014 : 20:18:23
My friends said FR will be the default setting, but given the DL references I'm not sure... |
| Diffan |
Posted - 09 Jul 2014 : 17:56:30
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder
Practically, "Core Setting" would mean that the worst inanities (Books of the Vile Exalted Deeds and worse), misfired experiments (Gates of Doodling Peak and worse) and just weird brain-flatulence (Magic of Jedincarnum and worse) get all dumped into FR by default. Not that it would be much of a change at this point, but still.
Sounds like it'll be the "and the kitchen sink" sort of thing. Honestly it makes sense because the Realms are already viewed as such anyways. Asian-themed? Check! Medieval Europe with Wizards? Check! Egyptian-themed? Check..? Jungles? Check! Desert themed? Check! High Magic areas? Check! Space ships? Check! Gunns? Check! Samurai? Check! Samurai wielding Gunns? Check! Dark, Gothic and brooding areas? Check! Zombieland-esque area and landscapes? Check!
Basically, if it's trope OR has been a genre at some point I'm sure the Realms have dealt with it at some point in it's vast timeline. |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 08 Jul 2014 : 15:33:04
Practically, "Core Setting" would mean that the worst inanities (Books of the Vile Exalted Deeds and worse), misfired experiments (Gates of Doodling Peak and worse) and just weird brain-flatulence (Magic of Jedincarnum and worse) get all dumped into FR by default. Not that it would be much of a change at this point, but still. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 08 Jul 2014 : 14:46:32
The more attention the realms is getting the better I say. I may be a bit biased but its always seemed like the most interesting D&D setting to me. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 08 Jul 2014 : 04:51:53
It was nice to see all of the references, both to the Realms and Dragonlance, in the Basic PDF. I'm very interested to see what the promised section of example deities will look like in the Player's Handbook. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Jul 2014 : 04:06:52
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor
There are other FR references in the other race sections. Like Moon and Gold Elves both being high elves in FR. Shield and Gold Dwarves are also mentioned.
Honestly I think thier is a default metasetting instead of a default setting.
So the default setting is the metasetting of the d&d 5e Multiverse, which has a variety of d&d settings within it, including FR, Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, and so on.
Which reflects what we've been told in previous D&D Next updates over the last few years ... that old mainstays of the D&D game would be receiving *some* attention in the core of the new edition of the game. |
| Seethyr |
Posted - 08 Jul 2014 : 00:51:22
quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyGrognard
Ayrik- Sadly, they don't publish enough Greyhawk. The only reason we see the same bits republished is due to the fact they keep giving us a list of the gods. 3rd edition had a few modules, the gods/icons in the core books, and the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer.
2nd Edition had the a bunch of adventures, supplements, and box sets, but these were severely broken due to problems within TSR at the time. Much of the information was contradictory or upped the timeline.
1st had the most considering all the modules, the box set, folio, and core books.
Frankly, I'd love to see a full campaign guide and players guide, perhaps a box set or two devoted to Greyhawk with as much devotion that is given to other worlds.
But I am also a diehard Greyhawk fan so I am a bit biased.
As for the topic of the OP, I think it is pretty certain that FR is going to be their "core" world. But, I am hopeful, for the language in the Basic pdf has led me to believe that equal love will be given to many worlds. :)
Some of my favorite 3e Greyhawk came in the form of those wonderful Adventure Paths in the final print days of Dungeon mag. I really wish those had been set in the Realms. |
| Gyor |
Posted - 07 Jul 2014 : 16:41:39
There are other FR references in the other race sections. Like Moon and Gold Elves both being high elves in FR. Shield and Gold Dwarves are also mentioned.
Honestly I think thier is a default metasetting instead of a default setting.
So the default setting is the metasetting of the d&d 5e Multiverse, which has a variety of d&d settings within it, including FR, Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, and so on. |
| JohnnyGrognard |
Posted - 07 Jul 2014 : 04:01:13
Ayrik- Sadly, they don't publish enough Greyhawk. The only reason we see the same bits republished is due to the fact they keep giving us a list of the gods. 3rd edition had a few modules, the gods/icons in the core books, and the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer.
2nd Edition had the a bunch of adventures, supplements, and box sets, but these were severely broken due to problems within TSR at the time. Much of the information was contradictory or upped the timeline.
1st had the most considering all the modules, the box set, folio, and core books.
Frankly, I'd love to see a full campaign guide and players guide, perhaps a box set or two devoted to Greyhawk with as much devotion that is given to other worlds.
But I am also a diehard Greyhawk fan so I am a bit biased.
As for the topic of the OP, I think it is pretty certain that FR is going to be their "core" world. But, I am hopeful, for the language in the Basic pdf has led me to believe that equal love will be given to many worlds. :) |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 06 Jul 2014 : 07:15:30
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
Yet I shake my head every time I see core D&D rulebooks republish Greyhawk stuff over and over, every time I meet new players (who know little about D&D outside of their new-edition core rulebooks) and their confusion about why, for example, Kord is not an important deity in Cormyr, or why Vecna doesn't kick Szass Tam's butt.
This makes me wonder how WotC plans to write up Realms deities in the PHB vis-a-vis the deity write ups in the 5E Realms book(s).
That is, will the write ups be significantly different to cause confusion?
If I recall correctly 4E seemed to leave some people scratching their heads regarding Bane, but I didn't play 4E enough with brand new gamers (to D&D and the Realms under 4E), nor did I follow the 4E forums, to know if this was a widespread or confusing issue |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 05 Jul 2014 : 22:45:51
Don't read me wrong: Greyhawk is fantastic and worthy in many ways. Gygax's own homebrew (more or less), a prototype for all settings which followed.
I was introduced to D&D through the Realms. But the vaguely creepy "old guys" with years of AD&D(1E) campaigning under their belts and mountains of esoteric TSR lorebooks were really big on Greyhawk, they sorta viewed Dragonlance and the Realms as shallow interlopers with little merit beyond popular draw among the "younger" players. To be honest, I'd always thought of Greyhawk as a bit campy, stuffy, dull, obsolete, full of archaic and "unrealistic" fantasy contrivances - at least until I got my grubby hands on the AD&D (1E& 2E) Greyhawk Adventures sourcebook.
Gygax was great in his time, Gygax's Greyhawk work was great in its time. I'm not into celebrating celebrities - couldn't care less how popular other people might be - but I realize that Gygax's name (like Greenwood's name) is still synonymous with the Dungeons & Dragons brand, thus it's important to have such fellows onboard. Yet I shake my head every time I see core D&D rulebooks republish Greyhawk stuff over and over, every time I meet new players (who know little about D&D outside of their new-edition core rulebooks) and their confusion about why, for example, Kord is not an important deity in Cormyr, or why Vecna doesn't kick Szass Tam's butt. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Jul 2014 : 21:21:14
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
I like the Realms being the default PHB/DMG setting, personally.
All too many times Ive seen Greyhawk stuff in the core books - yet hardly anything else about Greyhawk follows up. So there are spells by Melf and Mordenkainen, there are gods like Boccob and Iuz, there are nifty toys like Zagygs Talisman, and the awesomeness of Vecnas nasty old body parts. But thats it ... no descriptions about history or backstory or context to put them in ... at least not until long after a pile of boxed Realmslore comes out.
It seems obvious that the core books and core setting should support each other. It seems senseless to keep pushing a flagship setting which differs from the afterthought setting on which the ruleset is built.
I have zero proof of this, but I've long been of the opinion that making Greyhawk core was part of the price for getting Gary Gygax back on board with 3E. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 05 Jul 2014 : 19:27:05
I like the Realms being the default PHB/DMG setting, personally.
All too many times Ive seen Greyhawk stuff in the core books - yet hardly anything else about Greyhawk follows up. So there are spells by Melf and Mordenkainen, there are gods like Boccob and Iuz, there are nifty toys like Zagygs Talisman, and the awesomeness of Vecnas nasty old body parts. But thats it ... no descriptions about history or backstory or context to put them in ... at least not until long after a pile of boxed Realmslore comes out.
It seems obvious that the core books and core setting should support each other. It seems senseless to keep pushing a flagship setting which differs from the afterthought setting on which the ruleset is built. |
| Dark Wizard |
Posted - 05 Jul 2014 : 06:00:28
DL fans have spotted several more references to that setting in the rules thus far. Supporting all settings goes in line with their intent to have this be the rule set to unite as much of the disparate fanbase as possible, across all editions (and presumably all editions). |
| hobbitfan |
Posted - 05 Jul 2014 : 00:48:54
I'm getting the same impression as Jeremy on this. They have said the core books will be all inclusive-mentioning all the settings not just the Realms.
I think some fans, including me at 1 point, assumed that because the early 5E adventures (including the starter one) and the Adventurer League (i.e. organized play) stuff is set in the Realms that that meant that FR was the default. This doesn't seem to actually be the case.
For all we know, the adventure focus could shift to a new setting every year and we see lots of other campaign explored.
Right now, the focus is on the realms but that will probably change.
edit: To return to the OP, FR isn't the Core World, it's one of many Core Worlds. |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 05 Jul 2014 : 00:24:15
I'n not ready to subscribe to the idea that the Realms is core for 5E.
The core rule books will make mention of several D&D campaign worlds, not just the Realms. |
| The Arcanamach |
Posted - 04 Jul 2014 : 10:07:38
Funny, Tika Waylan is a Dragonlance character. But glad the material is receiving decent reviews by fellow scribes. I'm waiting for the core books though (and still won't decide to purchase them until I've read through them at my local hobby shop). |
| Delwa |
Posted - 04 Jul 2014 : 00:46:59
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
Well I just downloaded the new D&D Basic rules for the new edition. As I peruse though the PDF I come to the human section of the Races. Here we find a little detail about the different ethnicities that can be found in the Forgotten Realms. It goes on to list Calishite, Chondathan, Damaran, Illuskan, Mulan, Rashemi, Shou, Tethyrian, and Turami descriptions and example names.
Further, in the Cleric section, your choice of Domain refers to particular Realms deities (among deities of other settings) though I'm not certain that it's extremely specific. In the PDF your play a Cleric of Life (though other domains will be present in the PHB) but this domain has a few deities that you can choose from such as Chauntea, Lathander, and Ilmater from the Forgotten Realms. So it's similar to 3E where domains are a bit broad and that multiple deities can be listed under the same domain.
Further when they list creating character personalities they use two polar opposites to show the contrast: Tika Waylan and Artemis Entreri.
That's as much as I saw in my brief look through the PDF and I'm under the assumption that these are taken pretty much from the New player's handbook. This also confirms that if your making a character WotC is giving you options that directly correlate with starting up in the Forgotten Realms.
I really, really like the Variant Rule they put in for Humans and using the Optional Feats rule. I'm going to have so much fun with that.
It did get my wheels turning and made me think about implementing a similar house rule that a guy on the D&D Next Facebook Group suggested. Allow any other Race to give up two Ability score bumps to gain a single feat at first level.
I digress. Really loving the amount of variety and detail they gave Humans. They aren't just your generic person, you have personality, and it has an impact on your character. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 04 Jul 2014 : 00:07:36
the basic thing might just be for the realms.....
well you never know |
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