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| Aryalómë |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 00:04:04
Could someone direct me to a good source of the good ol' sex demons? (FR please) And how would someone go about playing one? |
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| Aryalómë |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 22:54:28
Yes, of course...... |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 22:21:38
Those statements say the same thing.
Consider: "A man is what you call the male gender of the human race. Women are strictly female and men are strictly male."
[Edit]
You do understand that succubi and incubi are the plural forms of succubus and incubus, much as men and women are plurals for man and woman? |
| Aryalómë |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 22:01:00
In 3e 3.5e's MM, an Incubus is what you call the male gender of the cubi race. In FR, it is said thht Succubi are strictly female and Incubi are strictly male. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 21:17:22
tradwitch — As already stated above, succubi/incubi can easily seduce targets of either gender (and can probably assume the form of either gender). What they're really after is the target's vital force and eternal soul, gender is irrelevant so long as it suffices to attract the victim and encourage willing surrender to the fiend's influence. Any possible variation of seduction, predation, and corruption you might imagine has likely been refined into a fine art by the fiends over countless millennia of application.
You won't find any official lore which explicitly describes exactly what you're looking for, though the basic succubus/incubus entries can be easily adapted to your particulars; they do not deny this combination and even circumlocutively drop hints and suggestions which confirm what you need. But TSR and WotC have always carefully avoided the inclusion of controversial material (and I suspect predatory homosexual demon whores would violate a fair number of "parent friendly" publishing guidelines), so you just won't find more specific published information than what you've been given here ... it simply doesn't exist.
(lol, congrats on reducing your typos to a legible minority, it's much appreciated) |
| Aryalómë |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 21:07:08
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
tradwitch, are you asking for a mechanical writeup that you could actually play in the game? And which edition did you mean (for clarity)?
quote:
Originally posted by jordanz
What is the result of an Incubus/Succubus pairing?
Probably another incubus/succubus, but it's debatable whether demons can routinely breed with one another. Does anyone know of any specific, updated ruling on the subject?
Cheers
Yes and 4e please  I want an Incubus that loves seducing men  
@Portella
Why doens't your article say anything about Incubi?
Like I said, I'm glad Incubiare seperate from Succubi in FR. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 19:23:20
Planescape lore describes succubi (and incubi) and erinyes quite thoroughly. Especially in Planes of Conflict and Planes of Chaos (succubi), Planes of Law (erinyes), Hellbound: The Blood War and Faces of Evil: The Fiends, plus these creatures are favourites in innumerable adventure modules ... it's strictly 2E lore so it predates treating them all as a unified "fallen celestial" fiendish subtype.
The short answer is that succubi (and incubi) and erinyes do not generally procreate as species, although it is technically possible. They are fiends and they usually spawn as fiends, often as (monstrous) lesser fiends whose individual capacities for evil allow them to promote/evolve through the fiendish ranks into their seductress forms and functions. Succubi are sometimes known to breed with seduced mortals to produce (always female) alu-demon half-fiends; these are typically raised by their succubus mother (who often gifts them with abyssal weaponry), they combine the worst aspects of both parents, and they are even more hateful and vicious than true succubi, they are treated poorly by tanar'ri and humans alike. (A few might be raised by humans and an extraordinarily rare few might even turn out Chaotic Neutral or Neutral aligned if sired by a loving Good-aligned champion). For completeness, cambions (the other half-fiend crossbreed) are the result of (usually very male) fiends forcing themselves upon mortal victims; attraction is based not upon beauty but on power, dominance, defilement, and suffering.
Sex and seduction are not the imperatives which compel these fiends, they are only useful tools/weapons for corrupting and harvesting the souls of weak and foolish mortals; our "human" drives towards sharing physical and emotional pleasures are alien and distasteful to fiends, except perhaps at the most lusting, base, visceral, and perverted levels. These fiends derive real enjoyment only through feeding their evil; it seems to me that any sexual union between fiends would be an exercise of evil and have the intention of somehow serving evil ends. They are attracted to power and corruption, their partners are viewed as victims. A succubus harem would not at all be a pleasant place to visit. |
| Portella |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 18:26:04
Also in Expedition to the Demonweb Pits (2007) The cambion was also presented as a player character race in this book. |
| Portella |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 18:18:05
most of the succubi and incubus are ruled by their queen malcanthet others serve different demon lord like grazzts etc.
info about malcanthet:
Malcanthet, Queen of the Succubi and the incubus appear in Dragon #353 (March 2007).
Ecology
Typical physical characteristics A succubus in its natural state is in the shape and form of a beautiful human woman with demonic features, such as bat-like wings, tiny horns, and/ or a tail. However, the succubus may shape-shift into many forms. They often appear in the guise of a human woman sans demonic features. In the first edition of Dungeons and Dragons, a succubus shapechanged into male form was known as an incubus. However, in the third edition of D&D, the succubus is the female form of the incubus (i.e. the succubus and the incubus are the female and male manifestations of the same type of demon).
Society
Succubi are tanar'ri demons, and they are quite numerous. Many are under the command of the Abyssal Lord Graz'zt, but most are ruled by their "Queen," Malcanthet. In Dungeons& Dragons the female child of a succubus and a human is traditionally called an "alu-demon" and the male child a "cambion" (though the latter term can be applied to any demon-mortal offspring). However, the offspring of an alu-demon or cambion, as a result of a union with a human, has no specific name but falls into the larger category of tiefling. Succubi are featured prominently in the Planescape games.
That is some of the info I managed to find on them |
| Zireael |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 17:41:01
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
tradwitch, are you asking for a mechanical writeup that you could actually play in the game? And which edition did you mean (for clarity)?
quote:
Originally posted by jordanz
What is the result of an Incubus/Succubus pairing?
Probably another incubus/succubus, but it's debatable whether demons can routinely breed with one another. Does anyone know of any specific, updated ruling on the subject?
Cheers
I know old Planescape Fiends of Evil or sth like that - the best on the topic of fiends and their evolution and looks and breeding. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 14:34:05
tradwitch, are you asking for a mechanical writeup that you could actually play in the game? And which edition did you mean (for clarity)?
quote:
Originally posted by jordanz
What is the result of an Incubus/Succubus pairing?
Probably another incubus/succubus, but it's debatable whether demons can routinely breed with one another. Does anyone know of any specific, updated ruling on the subject?
Cheers |
| Aryalómë |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 11:03:26
Incubi and Succubi yes lol |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 02:55:02
Hah! I didn't even notice that. Your posts are always so jammed up. I wish someone would pretty please me. Are we still talking about Succubi? |
| Aryalómë |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 01:15:11
Well, I'm typing on a Nook and they have awful touch screens, so letters or words might get extremely mixeed up. I've been doing myhest lately to keep it clear. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 01:06:27
lol, I hate to complain about such trivialities as typos and spelling errors, but ye've gotta ensure your message is readable if ye want any sort of meaningful response, tradwitch1313. |
| Aryalómë |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 00:55:25
Oops, lol. *make me |
| The Sage |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 00:18:49
"Can someone pretty please... what?" I think you're missing something there.  |
| Aryalómë |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 22:21:17
Can someone pretty please me an Incubus Infernal Pact Warlock and an Incubus Psion? I would try to but again, I don't have any of the books handy right now. |
| ChieftainTwilight |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 21:25:19
well, I have played 3rd edition and 3.5 edition, and the Monster Manual states in the Succubus entry that an Incubus is just what you call a male Succubus. they use the same stats. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 21:18:48
Just to be a pedant: the vice-versa on that statement would be "it is said that women are specifically succubi", which is actually something I can't entirely disagree with. |
| Aryalómë |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 20:26:14
Incubi and Succubi are seperate in FR thankfully. It has said that Succubi are specifically women and vice-versa. Does anyone know where good lore can be found on them? Seeing as I only have the FR player's guide, it would be hard for me to attempt an oncubus. Fellfire, if you can, can you make me a 3.5e incubus? |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 04:15:58
Can I get that in English, Alex? |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:57:18
I found it in Dragon #353 in the Demonomicon of Iggwilv: Malcanthet. I'm searching for a pic on the 'net.
HERE. 3/4 of the way down, beneath all the kanji. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:55:48
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Could someone make an example of how to play a monster race pease?
Depends on the race.
Indeed.
And, besides, most of the relevant "Monster" and "Race" books published by Wizards and other third-party publishers provide more than enough examples for many characters of this type. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:45:33
The Lilitu deserves a mention here.
This demon could easily be mistaken for a beautiful woman at a glance, a lithe and graceful figure destined to inflame desire in those around her. A closer look, however, reveals sharp talons, vacant white eyes, and cloven feet, distorting and perverting that beauty into something far more disturbing. Burnt and broken fragments of wings protrude from her back, and her four writhing, ten-foot-long, sting-tipped tails give testament to her ruinous nature.
The sly and seductive lilitus are masters of mocking the divine. They infiltrate temples, corrupt priests, and slowly convert their victims to the worship of the demon lords.
pp.43-44 Fiendish Codex I |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:37:22
AFAIK, the incubus in Planscape was under the succubus heading. If there was a separate listing for them somewhere, it was probably elsewhere. Maybe the 3rd ed BoVD or Fiend Folio? The creature you are describing sounds more like a goat-demon (forgot the name) or Possibly Baphomet, who is a major demon. There is also the Cambions, but they don't match that appearance. Planescape had succubi as shape-shifters who could take a male form if desired. (my hubby says they did have a heading somewhere, but he doesn't know where. A PS MM, perhaps? But the box set only described them together, as a dual-sexed being. |
| jordanz |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:27:56
What is the result of an Incubus/Succubus pairing? |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:17:55
Not quite true Alystra. While Succubi can change shape, Incubi were given a separate write-up somewhere. I remember the picture being awesome. A goat-legged, shark-toothed demon with horns like an ORYX. I wish I could remember where I saw that. It had a very Planescape feel to it. Probably 2e, but possibly 3rd. I believe they were foot soldiers and assassins in the Blood War. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:17:53
That's sort of what I was getting at. Whichever gender would tempt the victim the most. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:15:27
The "mood and situation" really depend on the fiend's target. More specifically, on assuming the gender/form which best exploits that target's preferences. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 03:09:38
quote:
Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Could someone make an example of how to play a monster race pease?
Depends on the race. |
