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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 01:16:49
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Just wondering . . . if 3.5 is around for several more years (I hope and pray), they may actually start to remake some 3.0 things that were "good enough" when 3.5 first came out. If they do this, what books would you actually be willing to rebuy, and what would have to be in them for you to do this?
Of hand, I would by a 3.5 Manual of the Planes that included the FR, GH, and Eberron cosmologies to show examples of them, and especially if it had sidebars on how to explain if you wish to use the Core cosmology, or wish to make planes appear to work one way, when they work another (i.e. why Primes may thing that the Great Tree is the way it is, if you want to use the notion of it but the Great Wheel cosmology).
I would also like to see a 3.5 Deities and Demigods that actually incorporates epic level rules in it, now that they are partially included in the DMG and are part of the SRD.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 01:41:00
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| In my opinion, nothing needs to be remade-Manual of the Planes is still largely usable, Deities and Demigods is as usable as when it came out(meaning half the book is usable), and most everything else has received the proper rules clarifications. I would like to see a new definition for an artifact, though, as that's quite conflicted right now. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 02:40:16
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| I agree . . . a 3.5 Book of Artifacts would be a good thing. BTW, have you seen the Advance Gamemaster's Guide from Green Ronin? They have an epic level feat that lets you make ONE artifact, after which, that particular feat is useless, and you would have to have another feat to make another artifact. There are (obviously) other rules involved, but I just thought of this when I was about to say something about a 3.5 Book of Artifacts having explanations of creating artifacts (and something to deliniate them from epic level magic items). |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 02:37:34
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| A 3.5 artifacts book would be pretty cool, and I think there would be a market for it. I just don't think it seems to tally particularly with the sort of products WOTC is currently releasing. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 11:54:22
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Originally posted by Reefy
A 3.5 artifacts book would be pretty cool, and I think there would be a market for it. I just don't think it seems to tally particularly with the sort of products WOTC is currently releasing.
The sort of products being.
Book 1. New race Options number 456
Book 2. New base class options, now you too can be a chicken-wielding fanatic of a dead god, who has to hoot like an owl for 5 minutes to learn new spells. Also includes many other new prestige classes, making it even easier to roleplay a character with self identity issues.
Book 3. The book of feats, where we take old core feats, rename them, and then make them a lot better, with no disadvantages, hurray for you, now you can solo monsters 3 CRs above you.
I hold no illusions after reading Unearthed Arcana (and the torrent of books that have come after it).
One prime example is a wizard spell from Complete Adventurer. It does 'exactly' the same as a Core 3.5 spell, but has a different name and is a 2nd not 3rd level spell. Hmmph they've got so many books they don't even remember what they've published before |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 11:56:07
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Oh and back on track after that :)
edit: duh faiths and pantheons is realms, not core
I'd probably get Song and Silence |
Edited by - Kaladorm on 24 Jan 2006 11:56:50 |
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Volo
Seeker
Canada
58 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 23:17:05
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| The product I'd be most willing to buy a remake of isn't 3rd ed, it's one of, if not the, last Realms product of the 2nd ed era, Sea of Fallen Stars. I LOVED THAT SUBSETTING!!! |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 23:34:28
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
One prime example is a wizard spell from Complete Adventurer. It does 'exactly' the same as a Core 3.5 spell, but has a different name and is a 2nd not 3rd level spell. Hmmph they've got so many books they don't even remember what they've published before
You're either talking about mindless rage and rage, or fly, swift, and fly.
mindless rage and rage: The two spells have completely different effects. One grants the effects of a barbarian's rage, one sends the recipient into a mindless rage.
fly, swift, and fly: These two differ in duration and casting time; they offer different tactical possibilities. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 23:45:02
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Originally posted by Volo
The product I'd be most willing to buy a remake of isn't 3rd ed, it's one of, if not the, last Realms product of the 2nd ed era, Sea of Fallen Stars. I LOVED THAT SUBSETTING!!!
I believe the last 2E FR product (and one of my personal faves) was Cloak & Dagger. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 00:08:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Volo
The product I'd be most willing to buy a remake of isn't 3rd ed, it's one of, if not the, last Realms product of the 2nd ed era, Sea of Fallen Stars. I LOVED THAT SUBSETTING!!!
I believe the last 2E FR product (and one of my personal faves) was Cloak & Dagger.
Indeed it was Wooly and ditto for me to. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 02:52:50
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Originally posted by warlockco
I would love to see the 3 God books redone in 3E with a PrC/Core Class for each Speciality Priest.
The first part I'd agree with... but if the 3 2e deity books are to be redone... I'd prefer to see them updated with the "missing" details about rituals and clerical practices, rather than PrC/Core Class information.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 07:14:48
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by warlockco
I would love to see the 3 God books redone in 3E with a PrC/Core Class for each Speciality Priest.
The first part I'd agree with... but if the 3 2e deity books are to be redone... I'd prefer to see them updated with the "missing" details about rituals and clerical practices, rather than PrC/Core Class information.
It's time folks... .
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2006 : 07:35:12
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| Nah, the prestige classes can be done in a resurrected Faiths of Faerūn-series of articles in Dragon Magazine. Someone get Erik Mona and Tom Costa on the case now! |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2006 : 06:37:28
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It would be neat to see the Bloodstone Adventures redone H1-4.
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2006 : 20:30:02
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
One prime example is a wizard spell from Complete Adventurer. It does 'exactly' the same as a Core 3.5 spell, but has a different name and is a 2nd not 3rd level spell. Hmmph they've got so many books they don't even remember what they've published before
You're either talking about mindless rage and rage, or fly, swift, and fly.
mindless rage and rage: The two spells have completely different effects. One grants the effects of a barbarian's rage, one sends the recipient into a mindless rage.
fly, swift, and fly: These two differ in duration and casting time; they offer different tactical possibilities.
Hmm I may have misquoted it as Complete Adventurer, all these new books look the same 
I was referring to Flame Arrow :) |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2006 : 21:41:15
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Forgotten Realms Adventures, or rather the city section, is possibly the best and most useful FR book of all time. I've gotten more mileage of this book than the rest of my FR collection combined.
May I suggest looking at this format when its time to publish a new FRCS?
I'd like to see a revised, expanded and hardcover Magic of Faerun. It is a great book, and should be restored as an essential book to the setting. Everything generic in the book has been reprinted in (more appropriate) core books long ago, which leaves us room for realms specific goodies with stronger ties to the setting.
Lords of Darkness is another beloved book on my FR shelf, but could use more pages, a an updated Campaign Journal and a sturdier cover. I loved the sample lairs in that book. Its one of the more useful 3.x FR books at the gaming table (I play with the books, not just read them!), and I would love to see this great title brought back.
The Epic Level Handbook sorely needs a revision. I like the system, but it needs more monsters, cooler items and some solid advise on how to run a epic game. Epic level D&D feels a bit like a superhero game, while it should the stuff of myths and legends. A change of focus please!
An updated, compiled and condensed Mystara/Known World setting. Ah Threashold... the only place more memorable than the Moonshaes 
... speaking of which, a new Moonshaes would be cool.
A new Villains Lorebook would another must-buy for me. The characters are the realms, and the iconic villains are essenstial in any true FR game (for me anyway). |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 11 Feb 2006 : 04:55:13
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Absolutely, positively NOTHING.
There's too much AD&D stuff they haven't converted, particular for the Realms. I would like to see Wizards focusing more on releasing materials for Forgotten Realms, Eberron, and "D20 Modern/Past/Future" then on more generic core material that for the most part isn't being changed AT ALL and if it was is 10 sentences that could all be put into a PDF file by THEM for free. Then, in the next print run of of book X, they just revise it to feature the material from the PDF, maybe even change the title "Revised Such and Such" fooling no one into thinking it's actually NEW stuff they're buying, instead of continuously pushing the SAME material and releasing less new material or actual AD&D => 3E material each year. |
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nzr
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Feb 2006 : 00:27:02
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| I'd consider getting Al Qadim stuff, but beyond that... not really much. "Proper" Realms history books? |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2006 : 17:20:22
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In general it would be nice to see more info and less prestige classes and feats and such. D&D isn't a collectible game like Magic, you DON'T need all the new rulebooks to play a better game.
I'd much appreciate sourcebooks that would actually help me run a campaign. An FR history-books series with the sort of encyclopedic info that allows you to play in any era and know what you are talking about |
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